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Amazing Race - 10/13/13

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by BradJW, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    If they can prove it. Obviously, it's only speculation but the viewers that there's any manipulation going on. Unless someone on the "inside" spills the beans, how do you prove it? You can just assume it's clean and move on. And it probably is. I'm just saying it's not all the difficult to do if they wanted to on a taped show.
  2. NYHeel

    NYHeel Well-Known Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    The football guys made the biggest mistake in TAR besides not reading the clue. You have to remember to play the game differently in the beginning than the end. In the beginning when there are 8+ teams or so left you just want to stay with the pack as much as possible, especially when you're an athletic team. Worst case scenario you have to beat out a few weak teams in some challenges.

    You never take travel risks in the early rounds of TAR. Later when there's less than 6 teams or so you can take the risks because then it's a fight just to avoid being eliminated. In the early rounds it's just don't screw up.
  3. heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    The company I work for has a whole department of people who audit our business practices constantly to make sure we aren't violating laws or regulations and we are a LOT smaller than a national television network. I would be willing to bet CBS has a risk/governance department that would have a conniption fit if anyone even jokingly suggested rigging the contest in any substantial way.
  4. TonyTheTiger

    TonyTheTiger Pro Troll Magnet

    Dec 22, 2006
    While I was in London, I went to the taping of a celebrity edition of a quiz show (The Chase) where all the winnings went to charity. There were several occasions where they had to re-record segments of the show and some that resulted in different amounts being won.

    They went to great lengths to explain the differences and why they occurred. They also told us that the show was constantly audited and ANY impropriety would cause major problems.

    This all stems back to the '21' fixing back in the 60's and makes sure that nothing is done to affect the outcome.
  5. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I'm sure you're right. I was only responding to the comment that says that this incident was "proof" they the show isn't manipulated. I'm just saying that it proves nothing really. I've never once said that it is rigged or that I believe it's rigged.
  6. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    So, if someone goes in the DR on Big Brother and are asked questions a certain away to illicit certain feelings is that not a form of manipulation? If Jeff Probst asks certain questions which could influence a vote at Tribal Council (and we know he's done that), could that be considered manipulation? I'm not saying there's an easy way to do those sort of things on TAR, but to say there's no influence by the producers on these types of shows is wrong. This is not like giving them the answers to a question. Even if they make a leg a non-elimination round on the fly, that doesn't guarantee anything. The scandal on "21" they out and out gave them the answers to the questions so they would win.
  7. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I think these reality competition shows don't have the same strict guidelines that a quiz-type show would have. Every player understands that there is an imperfect, human component to these games and that winning them will be a mixture of skill, luck, and good timing. So I don't think anyone would be able to claim that they won or lost a reality competition show due to producer manipulation, because that type of producer oversight is understood to be a part of the game from the beginning.
  8. TonyTheTiger

    TonyTheTiger Pro Troll Magnet

    Dec 22, 2006
    I have no idea exactly how it works, so I'm not going to get into speculation. All I know for sure is that there are things they can and can't do, and calling a non-elim on the fly would be 'seen' as manipulation and not allowed.

    I don't lower myself to watch BB or Survivor, so I can't comment on that.
  9. That Don Guy

    That Don Guy Now with more GB

    Mar 13, 2003
    Benicia, CA
    It's called "Standards and Practices," and the last time I was paying attention, they actually have people from other networks doing the job.

    However, if you want to get technical, the Federal laws against game show tampering apply only to "contests of intellectual skill". You can't really have laws like that about talent shows, as there has to be some judgment involved. Otherwise, how do you have a show like Hell's Kitchen, where the host makes all of the decisions, including who wins?

    "Host involvement" has been a point of contention on Wheel of Fortune pretty much ever since it started. When Chuck Woolery hosted, whenever they had the "final spin of the day," he would aim for the largest money amount, despite the fact that it heavily influences the game in favor of whoever solves the last puzzle; Pat Sajak, on the other hand, has said that he goes for a more "random" spin because he doesn't want to influence the game in this way. (Why they don't just have whoever's turn it is make the final spin, I don't know.)
  10. Regina

    Regina I've got Jewbs!

    Mar 29, 2003
    Is it just me, or did it bother anyone else that so many teams pronounced "Lisbon" as "lizz-BONN"-I mean, Lisbon is a prominent world capitol, and seems like people would know how to pronounce it?
  11. Inundated

    Inundated Face For Radio

    Sep 9, 2003
    Northeast Ohio
    It wasn't just you, though I'm used to teams mangling pronunciation :)

    Still, Lisbon isn't all that hard.
  12. BluesFools

    BluesFools Member

    Apr 5, 2000
    Cary, NC, USA
    Sounded to me like they were saying "Lisboa", which is the Portuguese name.
  13. getbak

    getbak Active Member

    Oct 8, 2004
    Calgary, AB
    I thought any notion that the producers can randomly choose which legs are non-eliminations during the course of the Race would have been dispelled when they the Rockers were saved by a non-elimination after one of them lost his passport in Russia.

    If they could choose the non-elimination leg during the leg, they certainly wouldn't have chosen that one because it was a mess, and removed any suspense from the following episode.
  14. TonyTheTiger

    TonyTheTiger Pro Troll Magnet

    Dec 22, 2006
    Nah. They're always mispronouncing place names. I guess I'm just used to it.
  15. Bob Coxner

    Bob Coxner Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    I'm too lazy to research it but my memory says they almost never have non-elim legs this early and certainly not when there's long distance travel involved. If nothing else, the fewer teams they have, the less money it costs to produce. Remember that a "team" is not just the 2 players but also includes a cameraman and soundman for each team. That's a lot of money when teams are buying international travel tickets at walk-up prices. The more teams you can eliminate early the more money you save.

    This argument doesn't apply as much if the next leg is entirely in the same country, but that rarely happens early in the race.
  16. Jayjoans

    Jayjoans New Member

    Jan 22, 2003
    We chuckled that it seemed like Portugal was every racer's dream destination. I don't think it would matter what the clue said when they opened it, the racers are predisposed to be over the moon about the location. I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever met anybody that feels their dream vacation is in Portugal.

    I'm sure it's very nice there and filled with cool and historic things, my point is that it's WAY down the list for most people, and I'm confident none of these racers gave Portugal a second thought prior to the race.
  17. martinp13

    martinp13 YHTBMABIITY

    Mar 19, 2001
    Fort Worth, TX
    Prominent world capital, yes, but if you had first asked the teams "Lisbon is the capital of what country?" I bet you'd have gotten a lot of wrong answers.
  18. KyleLC

    KyleLC Unregistered User

    Feb 6, 2002
    Sugar Land, TX
    Yeah, I didn't think much of it when the first team got excited about Portugal, but after that I was like, "Is there something really exciting about Portugal I don't know about?"
  19. brianric

    brianric Active Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    Pennsville, NJ
    If you're in the Navy paying a visit to Lisbon. :D
  20. trainman

    trainman Nice to see you

    Jan 29, 2001
    Most game shows these days have outside companies acting as their watchdog, rather than representatives from a TV network -- the big one is called Sullivan Compliance.

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