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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D "The only light in the darkness" OAD 4/22/2014

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by milo99, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. JoBeth66

    JoBeth66 Temp

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    Maybe you can clarify this point for those of us who don't occupy the rarified space in the atmosphere in which you seem to reside.

    I responded to the post you made. I can only respond to what you write.

    Here, let me make it clearer for you. You said

    I disagree that it's an amazing and unusual thing for a person to do so quickly.

    I disagree that the evidence is "complex".

    I disagree that the "stress of finding the dead body" would result in Skye being unable to think clearly.

    She's demonstrated the ability to think clearly and quickly under pressure in the past, why would you think she would be unable to do so at this juncture?

    She saw Ward's blip on the screen. She saw Koenig's blip on the screen. She saw Koenig's dead body. She knew that May was no longer in the base, because May's blip wasn't on the screen. Whoever hid the body did so in such a way that they would have a reasonable expectation that if the body was found they would KNOW it was found. Since May wasn't in the building, Skye could rule her out as a suspect pretty much instantaneously - May would have had no reason to set up the scene that way, since she was gone and wouldn't have cared if anyone found the body.

    The only LOGICAL answer is Ward. And you can get to that pretty quickly, even under stress.

    Not rocket science.

    So, which point did we all miss?

    ETA - You sent your post to Ereth while I was composing mine. I didn't miss your point at all. I just completely disagree with the point you made. Not the same thing. And from reading everyone else's replies, I don't think they missed your point either, they just also completely disagree with you.
     
  2. john4200

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    Most people got the point. It is only you and a few others who missed it, as demonstrated by arguing about the details of the evidence, rather than about the person and the stressful situation.

    In your latest post, you seem to be considering making an argument that most people, in Skye's situation, having just freaked out over finding the blood-dripping dead body of a colleague, would have taken only a few seconds to review all the evidence in their head and immediately deduce that the murderer and traitor was the man who, a few minutes ago, they were kissing and telling that he was a good person.

    But I did not see much support for such an assertion. You said that Ward was the logical answer. I obviously agree with a rational person concluding that Ward is the prime suspect, as I said as much in my original post. But I see no reason to believe that most people would be so rational, so quickly, in such a situation. In my experience, most people behave irrationally much of the time, even in ordinary circumstances, especially when it involves feelings about people. In stressful circumstances, most people behave even more irrationally. Skye behaved in a manner that was quite unusual for most people.
     
  3. Ereth

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    Speaking of reading comprehension skills...

    I didn't respond to your point. Not at all. I responded to your constant "yet another person who miss the point entirely" series of posts.

    Arguing that the problem is MY reading comprehension is a complete and total misrepresentation of the facts in evidence. I didn't say one word about your position on the show, only that you seemed to have an awful lot of people who you claimed were missing your point. And instead of trying to make your point clearer, you simply started a tally.

    I don't see anything in your response to me on that topic. Can you explain why?
     
  4. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    So, you are saying that you are incapable of recognizing futility that you assert many others have recognized? :rolleyes:

    I had thought your more perceptive than that. ;)
     
  5. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    The point was already abundantly clear.

    In a way that you are capable of understanding? Probably not.
     
  6. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    So you admit that you did not respond to the point I made.

    You accused me of a personal attack, yet when asked what personal attack that was, you avoided the question.

    When asked to explain why you completely ignored the content of my post to you and posted something unrelated to what I was talking about, you chose to insult me rather than answer the question.

    Is it any wonder so many people have you on ignore?
     
  7. john4200

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    Wrong again.

    And you make a personal attack on me, and then accuse me of insulting you? Incredible.

    Is it any wonder so many people think you argue incessantly over nothing?
     
  8. Ereth

    Ereth Well-Known Member

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    You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
     
  9. JoeyJoJo

    JoeyJoJo Damaged Goods

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    His what is more perceptive?


    Your intellectual "high ground" has now been eroded. You're just a grammar-ignorant internet troll now.
     
  10. TonyD79

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    3) Those of us who have not weighed in on your point are NOT to be assumed to agree. Maybe we (including me) don't give a damn about it other than to watch the very entertaining argument that ensued.

    You are counting those who have not posted about your point on your side. A very bad assumption.
     
  11. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    And you are not even aware of the huge assumption you just made. So sad.
     
  12. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    And your post adds so much to the discussion of this episode. You are clearly the complete opposite of an ignorant troll.

    Now what was it you wanted to discuss, again?
     
  13. JoeyJoJo

    JoeyJoJo Damaged Goods

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    Did you know that prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada?
     
  14. TonyTheTiger

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    *Checks the sign on the door*

    Excuse me. I thought I was in a TV show discussion thread. I seem to have wandered into the kindergarten playpen!

    *Leaves*
     
  15. smbaker

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    Do you see me arguing with you? I merely pointed out the reasons why so few are engaging you.

    I have no desire to debate you on whether or not Skye's actions are reasonable. I'll debate that with others, but it's pointless to debate it with you. The only winning move is not to play.

    you're.
     
  16. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    Do you see what you are posting as not arguing?

    Actually, it was meant to be "you"
     
  17. smbaker

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    This post intentionally left blank.
     
  18. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

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    Now?
     
  19. john4200

    john4200 Active Member

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    I am shocked -- shocked -- to find that prostitution is going on there. :eek:
     
  20. JoBeth66

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    Or maybe we just completely disagree with you.

    It IS possible to have an opinion counter to yours and be capable of rational thought, hard as that seems to be for you to believe.

    I did nothing of the sort. Your reading comprehension is clearly off. You should read what I wrote again and respond on point, rather than making things up.

    I didn't "consider" making any argument about "most people".

    I MADE an argument about SKYE'S reaction in Skye's situation.

    She's already in a heightened state by dint of the fact that her entire world has been turned upside-down, yet again. She's running on adrenaline and lack of sleep and fear. She's in analytical mode as evidenced by her quick thinking on the satellites and hacking them. She's in her element.

    No reason to think she'd turn into a quivering mass of jelly that wouldn't be capable of a reasonable conclusion in a very short span of time.

    I can't help what you can't see. Your lack of sight does not indicate a blindness by someone else.

    So? I see plenty of reason to believe that Skye (who is NOT "most people") would be so rational, so quickly, in exactly that situation.

    In fact, we KNOW she was, because that's exactly the conclusion she came to. Q.E.D.

    Skye is not most people, and we have no indication from her previous experiences that she would act like most people. I don't know why you keep insisting she should act the way you think she should act, and if she doesn't, well, clearly it's because the writers did it wrong, rather than you being unable to consider any other position.
     

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