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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 10/22/2013 (S01E05) "The Girl in the Flower Dress"

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by terpfan1980, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Uh, no, I don't think so. At least, I've never heard that. And if they ever said it (it would have to have been in the 90s, when comics were insane and I wasn't reading), they don't say it any more.
    Yes, but he immediately went into the X-Men, where he's been for 40 years, and where they quickly turned him into a mutant.

    Hell, Fox has even been able to claim Quicksilver, who was created in the X-Men and was a villain there for about 15 minutes before he joined the Avengers and has been there for the past 50 years. Interestingly, though, he will also be in the next Avengers movie. Apparently, his 15 minutes as an X-Men villain in 1964 was enough that Marvel can't stop Fox from using him, but his 50 years as an X-Man are enough that Fox can't stop Marvel from using him.

    Marvel isn't even allowed to use the word "mutant" in their movies and TV shows, although I'm not sure if that's a contractual stipulation or an editorial edict.
  2. Ereth

    Ereth Unemployed Bum

    Jun 16, 2000
    I only ran into it in World War Hulk, I think. I vaguely remember someone (Doc Sampson?) explaining that Banner only survived the gamma bomb because of his mutation, and that they (SHIELD?) had been trying to duplicate the result (with a more controllable subject) but nobody had the same mutation. It was kind of an explanation for why all the people had different results from their exposure to gamma radiation (which used to be explained by it reflecting their personality, which is why Peter David (?) came up with the idea that Bruce had Multiple Personality Disorder). I confess I pretty much gave up on Marvel comics a long time ago, so I'm out of date, but I thought they had retrofit the mutant thing into everybody by now. Or maybe I simply read too much into an off-hand comment somewhere. I always thought the idea was stupid, but honestly thought it was canon now.

    This is one I'd be glad to be wrong on.

    Yeah, I know. I was being silly.

    Didn't we learn sometime back that Pietro and Wanda were actually Magnetos children? Or is that another thing I remember wrong? (And thanks for correcting me that it was Fox that had that license).

    I hadn't realized that. Thanks.
  3. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Yep. Along with Lorna Dane/Polaris.

    I think from time to time all three have been ret-conned out of the family (certainly Lorna has), but it's never stuck.
  4. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I believe that Sunfire is currently appearing in Uncanny Avengers.

    Like you, I was hoping that this would be Sunfire and was a tad disappointed when it wasn't.
    And it's not like they could have used Johnny Storm (due to rights).

    I do wonder if Jim Hammond would available for this show.
  5. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Which, for the uninitiated, is an Avengers/X-Men team-up book (Uncanny X-Men & Mighty Avengers), and he's one of the X-Men on the team.
  6. NoThru22

    NoThru22 Smelly Pirate Hooker

    May 6, 2005
    Bel Air, MD
    In the comics, a mutation does not make you a member of the race of mutants. Even getting mutant powers grafted "onto" you like Deadpool does not make you a mutant.

    Quicksilver was also a member of X-Factor for years.

    It is contractual that non-Fox movies cannot use the term mutant. http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?...ers_in_Copyright_Case&slreturn=20130924095818 I'd be interested to see how/if they explain Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch's powers in Avengers 2.
  7. dtle

    dtle Active Member

    Dec 12, 2001
    Fram, MA
    So you have no problems with them showing a human being charred to death right in front of your eyes? Typical American parents....
  8. Loach

    Loach Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    Omaha, NE
    Cartoonish. Not realistic at all.
  9. IDSmoker

    IDSmoker Member

    Apr 10, 2004
    Boise, ID
    Is that comment in reference to the violence or the sex?
  10. smbaker

    smbaker Well-Known Member

    May 24, 2003
    'cartoonish' isn't how I would describe the scene. It may not have been graphic or gruesome, but it was clearly meant to depict a human being killed by incineration.

    I can't see what the issue is with the post-sex scene. It didn't depict them having sex. It depicted a woman in her underwear. It was no more graphic than what one would see at the beach. It revealed that adults wear underwear in the bedroom.

    As far as this episode, I enjoyed it, but I am getting tired of 'extremis' related plots, mainly because I've been bored with it ever since the last ironman movie. Can someone familiar with Marvel comics tell me, is extremis central to the marvel world? Should we expect it to keep coming up? I was hoping that Scorch would turn into a super-villain for the series. For me, superheroes are defined by their villains, and this series has no decent villains yet.
  11. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    Either you're messing with us, or you really believe what you're posting. Neither option really augurs any meaningful discussion, so I'll just promise to stay off your lawn and leave it at that.

    Not to mention her sharp knees....
  12. MikeCC

    MikeCC TiVotee

    Jun 19, 2004
    Um... she'd be even hotter if she DID pull off that clothing!
  13. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Truthfully, I consider it an Avengers book and A + X as the "team-up" book.

    But Deadpool is considered an "X Character" though?

    (I don't know for sure, IMO the X Books have been a hot mess for the last 20 years.)
  14. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    That's interesting; no where in his statement did I read that he has "...no problems with them showing a human being charred to death..."
  15. Jeeters

    Jeeters Registered Snoozer

    Feb 25, 2003
    Is it that she needs to be skinnier to pull off that clothing? If so, wouldn't that be setting a bad example for all those family viewers?
  16. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    Well, the premise of the book is that they grouped a bunch of Avengers with a bunch of X-Men. And Sunfire was one of the X-Men. That's all I was trying to say.
  17. busyba

    busyba The Funcooker

    Feb 5, 2003
    He certainly doesn't appear to consider it something worth complaining about, especially when there's a woman on the screen wearing a bra and panties.
  18. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    Lots of bad acting in this episode. I mostly liked the plotting, but the actors kept pulling me out of the story.

    One thing I find interesting about this show is that SHIELD is kind of a d*ck. The Rising Tide, as stupid as such as thing is an an adversary, isn't automatically on the wrong side of things because there's a ton of moral and ethical (and legal) ambiguity in what SHIELD does. That's pretty cool. I think the show is aware of it, but what I can't tell yet is whether it cares. That is, I don't know whether the show think it's enough just to show these cards, or whether it has the ambition (or skill) to actually play them out.
  19. logic88

    logic88 Well-Known Member

    Jun 7, 2001
    Land Of...
    If you think the acting was bad in English, the acting in Cantonese was horrid.

    Especially since Changchien only speaks Japanese. :eek:
  20. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    I like Ming Na but her fighting and action scenes aren't very believable.

    I still dislike Fitz-Simmons.

    Who the heck was the guy in jail that floral print dress lady visited?

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