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Aereo decision pushed to Wednesday or Thursday … or even next Monday

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Johncv, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. Chris Gerhard

    Chris Gerhard Active Member

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    I am very happy with TiVo and OTA and of course want that to continue. Using internet data for local channels would have been an option I don't want to have to deal with. I am already running over 300GB some months now with the recent Netflix change to SuperHD and the other services I use, YouTube, Vudu, Hulu, HBOGo and a few others. Comcast has no data charges right now but I can't imagine that will continue for long.
     
  2. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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  3. weaver

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    Not really. If Aero had been successful in the Supreme Court, the cable companies would have done the same thing to eliminate the rebroadcast fees.
     
  4. unitron

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    I'm sure the broadcasters are happy to have won, but why would the cable companies be unhappy that their competition was just destroyed?

    ACA is the American Cable Association.
     
  5. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Was Aereo selling a service that allowed you to access free OTA signals over the internet for a small fee, or were they selling tiny antennas and renting space for consumers to locate those antennas? Or was that difference trivial and the court didn't care?
     
  6. BigJimOutlaw

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    The ACA is an advocacy/lobbying group for small/rural/municipal independent providers and cable content entities (Tennis Channel, Univision, etc). They have an interest in ending broadcast retransmission fees because they believe it disproportionally inflates fees for small MSOs due to their small size, and cuts out their content members as a result of people choosing cheaper TV packages to compensate for the higher fees. (I have no skin in this, I'm just sharing who they are.)
     
  7. lessd

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    The so called tiny antennas are a sham as they are the size of a dime, you think without any added re-Xmit hardware they could pick up any/all TV OTA signals unless you were next to the Xmit tower itself where a paper clip would also work?.
     
  8. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    Apparently they worked well enough to satisfy the courts, since the lower courts accepted the technical explanation and it wasn't at issue before the Supremes.
     
  9. telemark

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    The ACA had previously filed a brief siding with Aereo, and they only represent small cable operators.

    It said a negative ruling could hamper tech companies, which the small cable operators need to partner with to bring new services (otherwise out of reach of their R/D) to their subscribers, in order to compete with the big cable companies.

    Sounds like they need cloud DVR's, so they don't have to invest in hardware infrastructure.

    NCTA did not file a brief. NAB did, siding with the broadcasters.

    Cablevision filed a brief, suggesting Aereo was in violation of public performance, but Cablevision is not.
    There is no Comcast brief, but they wholly own NBC-Universal Studios, which is a party.
     
  10. weaver

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    Because the cable companies would have saved money by not paying rebroadcast fees.
     
  11. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    And for them to have any hope of ending that, Aereo would have had to have won, not lost.
     
  12. unitron

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  13. lessd

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    The point of the dime antennas was the reason they though they could work around the copyright law on re-xmission, the SC did not look at or care about the antennas, only what was delivered to the end user that was paying.
     
  14. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give em Hell, Devils

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    When a case goes to the SC, they don't get to examine whatever aspect of the case they want to. There is almost always a very strict and narrow legal question that needs to be answered. The reason the SC didn't say anything about the antennas is because from a technological standpoint, they had passed muster at the lower courts, and the broadcasters did not submit that issue to the SC on appeal.

    If the antennas didn't even work, the case would never have gotten as far as it did since proving that they didn't work as advertised would have led to an easy win for the broadcasters.
     
  15. unitron

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    Dude, being within paper clip distance of the XMTRs with a clear line of sight was half of Aereo's business model all along, as I'm sure they themselves would have told you.

    If King Kong could talk, they were close enough to the ESB to read his lips.


    And the way those little antennas were mounted near each other allowed for coupling that created the equivalent of a larger element (while maintaining individual outputs), and that was a pretty clever hack.
     
  16. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Makes sense to me, although I wonder what intelligence could be gained by reading King Kong's lips (even if he could talk). :D
     
  17. unitron

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    He could tell you if Fay Wray was as hot in person as she looked on the screen in that scene on the boat with the sheer white dress backlit by the moon.
     
  18. lessd

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    That true, but why not go the next step and have the station give a direct wire connection, less cost and same signal when next to the Xmit tower. The problem was the re-xmission not the antennas.
     

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