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A simple handy feature TiVo should add

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by macjeepster, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. macjeepster

    macjeepster New Member

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    Every so often I discover a new TV series.
    Sometimes it's only new to me, so I start watching episodes from several seasons. Among the most recent were "Kitchen Nightmares" and "Renovation Realities."

    The problem is, after hop-scotching over shows from several seasons, it's hard to keep track of which episodes I've seen and which I haven't.
    The show descriptions are little help (this is the "kitchen Nightmares" where the restaurant's serving bad food, or this is the "Renovation Realities" where the couple run into problems and don't finish their project on time).

    I suppose I could keep a notebook listing the episodes I recorded and watched, and then check it before recording a new episode, but the TiVo could do this for me.
    It would be a slick handy feature in my opinion.

    -mj
     
  2. lillevig

    lillevig Hot in West Texas

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    Yeah, make it an extention of the Season Pass option where you are probably telling it to record both new and repeat episodes. I would think that the "To Do" scheduling SW could peruse your recording list and not duplicate anything that's there if that episode is repeated multiple times.
     
  3. macjeepster

    macjeepster New Member

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    Right. The trick is it can't just compare it to the just the recorded shows that are still on the TiVo. It needs to keep track of the the shows I recorded, watched and deleted last week, last month, six months ago.

    I find I keep recording the same episodes, then only know I've already seen them when I go to watch them. Surely, TiVo can help me with this.

    -mj
     
  4. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    While it's not TiVo, there is a nice iOS app called TV Show Tracker that can help you keep track of episodes.
     
  5. macjeepster

    macjeepster New Member

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    Thanks Steve, That looks like a great app. It appears it will do what I want. I'm getting it now. It would be far more convenient if something like it were integrated into the TiVo software or at least into the excellent TiVo iPad app.
    -mj
     
  6. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    I use Notes on my iPhone, usually one per show.. but sometimes a few shows are grouped into one (more often PBS shows or something I see less frequently). Basically, my absolute favorite shows, I don't keep track of, since I'm 99.999% sure that I'm already seeing them.

    That iOS app doesn't look like it's as extensive as I want.. but I'm glad others have had the same idea.

    I'd pay a one time fee for this capability on a Tivo (even though I have lifetime subscriptions). It would have to have a bit of 'extra' user input ability, because of the fault of the networks/cable signals.. i.e. simply deleting a show wouldn't automatically add it to the "I've seen" list, though that would be the default.. You would need to be able to delete a show but NOT add it (e.g. last minute preemption), or not add it if the last 5 minutes was missing or something (I'm a stickler, I want to see the WHOLE show, that's why I want a lot more tuners so I can add padding to EVERYTHING).
     
  7. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    It already works that way. If an episode has been recorded or scheduled to record within the last 28 days, it won't be automatically recorded unless the SP is set for "ALL(with duplicates) even if you have deleted it from the NPL. That is the primary purpose of the recording history. What the OP wants is for the TiVo to keep track of every episode of every show (or at least selected shows) that you have ever recorded.

    Count me as a vote against TiVo allocating any resources to develop this.
     
  8. macjeepster

    macjeepster New Member

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    I'm sorry, James, you're mistaken. I'm not talking about SP recording. I rarely use SP for shows that are in their 5th or 6th season and often appear as marathons or multiple shows in a row several times throughout the day. For those types of shows, I use the "Upcoming Episodes" feature and select the showings myself (usually in non-primetime).
    A "Delete and Remember" button would be handy for managing this type of recordings.

    Am I alone? Do most people use SPs for a majority of their recordings? Should I switch? I always worry that if I'm not vigilant, the TiVo will choose to record things that appear over and over (cable) and miss things that air only once (broadcast).

    But you raise an interesting question:
    Why does the TiVo throw away the recording history after 28 days? What makes 28 days better than 14, 90 or 365? Wouldn't that be a good user-configurable setting?
    Surely the problem can't be disk space. I bet 5 years of recording history wouldn't use as much space as two minutes of FD video.

    - mj
     
  9. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    So when you explicitly tell the TiVo to record something, you want it to check to see if you've ever recorded it previously and give you the option to not record it again? I'm pretty sure you are unique.

    Yes, I would say that most, if not all, other TiVo users use SPs for this.

    That's what the season pass manager is for. You make things that air only once a higher priority than things that air multiple times.

    You forget that TiVos have been around since 20GB was a large hard drive. Plus the more historical data you have to search, the longer the scheduler has to run.

    Assuming that "FD" is a typo, it is an interesting one since the "F" key is exactly halfway between the "S" and "H" keys. At least on a standard "QWERTY" keyboard.
     
  10. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    You are incorrect. There are lots of us that would love to have some sort of capability like this. I will agree that it's not something I want a lot of resources thrown at. But the concept is interesting.

    Here's what I do, I run into this more often than one would think (lookin' at you, lpwcomp:D): I decide I want to start watching a series. Because I have an Elite with lots of room, I usually set it to record every episode. If I'm really lucky and/or timed it right, I can actually start the SP with S1E1 (WL for "Pilot" can find 'em). I then end up with every eps in perfect order. When I'm ready to start watching, I just start at the end and go. I'm doing this with Breaking Bad now (on 44/46:up:), and have done it in the past with a number of shows I regret missing from the start (2.5Men, BBT, AD, FF, etc). Sometimes I only do a season at a time--I did this with West Wing, 24 and Veronica Mars.

    I will print an eps list from epguides to make sure I have them all. But then I'm kinda anal in my TV viewing...

    If the TiVo would track it, so much the better!

    PS: Just realized, I'm doing this now for Hustle. I stopped watching when Bricks left the show, but now he's back and I'm recording all of them. Think I'm up to 27 or 28. When I get them all, I'll watch in order and if it's one I've watched, delete it. Sure could use a TiVo app for that!

    I would also love this for shows where the OAD is all screwed up. I quit watching Flashpoint because the OAD is Canadian, not US. Between me & my TiVo, we had no idea what we had seen, and my FRO SP became useless. Yet syndication had me recording so many, I just gave up and killed the SP. Another use for this app/feature.
     
  11. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Sorry, you are wrong about my being incorrect. I was specifically talking about his method of individually recording episodes, not just the desire to extend the history. He wants the "extended history" checked when he explicitly records a showing, not just when the scheduler is processing a Season Pass. He doesn't use Season Passes.
     
  12. innocentfreak

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    I use Trakt.TV for this since TiVo doesn't incorporate it.

    Hopefully if TiVo ever rolls out their SDK someone could write a Trakt plugin like they have for Media Center and XBMC that automatically flags episodes as you watch them.

    Of course this won't help with the ability to have TiVo only record unwatched episodes since there is no option for that.
     
  13. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Actually, if you were to use a PC for recording management, including SPs, all of this should be doable now with the current API - on Premieres. Plus you could do co-operative scheduling, multi-channel SPs and clear QAM scheduling. Of course, you could also have your never ending history.
     
  14. mattack

    mattack Active Member

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    I want it when individually recording episodes too..

    So that I can go through View Upcoming and it would say something like:
    You already saw this episode

    or if you cared for THIS info (I don't care for this much detail)
    Someone in your house marked this episode as watched on Monday July 16, 2012 at 10:15 AM
    (similar to what it does in recording history for shows it won't record in the future).
     
  15. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    My apologies, although I assume you actually do use SPs. And I repeat that this feature is of marginal utility and would require far more effort than it is worth.

    As I've said about some of the other "simple" feature requests, simple to describe does not equate to simple to implement.
     
  16. Stormspace

    Stormspace Electrocuted by TiVo

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    You have a point to an extent. A Season Pass(SP) does sometimes record things over and over again, even when set to first run only. I'm seeing that right now with the Big Bang Theory reruns on Fox and TBS. The way I get around that is I prioritize my SPs in the SP list by emphasizing shows that air multiple times throughout the day so that they don't bump shows that air only once a week or day.

    I would like it if you could list shows by original air date or episode number within a group, or record a particular episode of a show by episode number. For instance, if I decide I want to start watching "The Walking Dead" I'd like to set a SP on it and list the episodes by number in the group the TiVo creates and perhaps notify me when a recording season is complete.
     
  17. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    You are at the mercy of the quality of the guide data. Some channels, and TBS is a notable culprit, screw up the series and show identifiers or send wrong first-air dates. TiVo can't help you with that.
     
  18. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

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    What I have suggested to TiVo in the past is to be able when deleting something to have the option to never record it again.
     
  19. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Why do you have FRO SPs for "The Big Bang Theory" on Fox and TBS? It is a CBS show. No first run episodes of it on either of those channels. As a matter of fact, it isn't actually on Fox at all. Your local Fox affiliate may be showing it, but it isn't the network. Based on what I'm seeing in the guide (full data and nothing flagged as "NEW"), an FRO SP shouldn't record any episodes.

    You can always set up an auto-record wishlist entry for each episode you want to record.
     
  20. Jonathan_S

    Jonathan_S Active Member

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    I've done this kind of thing once or twice over the years. Not often but just often enough that a feature like macjeepster requested (but for season passes) would have been appreciated.

    For that matter for shows that run reruns out of order, or where I've missed an episode and grabbed a rerun weeks later, I've occasionally wished for a sort option of "by original air date".
    Assuming the guide data was good* that would order the episodes in series order (minus any missing episodes)

    *And ignoring oddball situations like Firefly where the episodes were aired badly out of order
     

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