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A Review of the R10

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by ebonovic, Dec 12, 2004.

  1. stevemunk

    stevemunk New Member

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    well i did a reset last night
    selected clear and delete everything and went to bed
    did the phone test today and it worked..
    i wont have to get the wireless modem
     
  2. Rcrew

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    Why did you let him do that?
     
  3. Rcrew

    Rcrew New Member

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    Since the drive died in my primary S1 Wednesday, I had occasion to move the 2 1/2 month old R10 into 'production' in the living room. It's been living in the guest room since Jan. Not much use in there, but it's been chugging along. BTW, at last check the phone had been disconnected for 60 days, and everything was working fine.

    I'm still adjusting to the different remote. But I'm not seeing any PQ issues. It is quite a bit faster, in everything. Re-ordering SPs and WLs is quick. But one big difference I saw was in power ups. Since I put my old 40gb back into the failed S1 while I wait for an RMA on the 160gb drive, I had opportunity to watch cold powerups on both systems close together. The R10 blows the S1 away in everything, especially acquiring the sat.

    Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I'm seeing a slight difference in the NPL. On my S1s when I bring up the details on a recording in the NPL, I have up and down arrows that I can use the Channel up and down button to move to the previous or next recording. On my R10 there are no arrows, and I can't seem to move around at the program detail level.

    If you're reading Earl, how many hours did you get putting a 160 into your R10? I was going to take my RMA'd drive and put it into my old S1 again. But now I'm wondering if I should just use that to upgrade the R10.
     
  4. ronwoods

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    Don't know about anyone else, but when I got my Huges unit it was a bit noisy. I simply disconnected this internal fans power connector from the motherboard and then monitored the internal temp for a time, it has never gotten outside of normal operating temp. This was about 1.5 years ago and it is going stong.
     
  5. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Tinley...
    The 160gb drive gave me 140hrs in my R10.
    (Sorry for the late reply, it was a LONG holiday weekend).

    As for removing the fan... I wouldn't... That heat could spike at any moment. If the fan is that loud, upgrade it one of the MANY available after market fans out there.

    And the hard drive, the samsung 120gb drive is DEADLY quiet. You can almost put your ear right on the unit at bearly hear it still.
     
  6. C_Roberts

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    Yea! I am now the proud owner of two lightning fast R-10’s. I replaced the first of my two DSR6000’s on Friday and was so impressed with the performance improvement I bought another one today to replace my other DSR6000.

    First I was impressed with Circuit City for their fast service in selling the units and informing me of the one year commitment and even more impressed that the DTV call center handled swapping each unit very well and fast. My only complaint is when you call DTV the phone-bot doesn’t make it clear what choices to make for hardware upgrades.

    BWASH it should be fine in your bedroom. I was swapping out my second one today and thought I had accidentally unplugged the first one since I was right behind it and could not hear it. I could sure hear the DSR6000 hard drives from that close. It was running fine just being nice and quiet.
     
  7. Rcrew

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    Finished this morning. I first tried putting my RMA'd Maxtor 160 in my old S1 after using dd to copy the old 40 gb drive. But I suspected there was going to be a problem when after trying to expand with -x I got "Nothing to Expand" 37 hours.

    I'm guessing the old 'original' 40gb drive was rebuilt from the old dual drive upgrade, and there's really a partition problem.

    Anyway, since I've liked the R10 in the living room so much, I just decided to use the 160 in it. So I used dd and -x from the PTV LBA 48 cd, and now I've got a 139 hour R10. I assume it's seeing the full, large drive. I'm pretty sure that when the 160 was in my S1 it only got 123 hours.

    Thanks Earl for pointing me to the PTV cd .iso for LBA48 support. And of couse thanks to PTV for making the tools available.

    I'm back to 3 DTiVos, although just a little bit less total time for the house, 139 + 70 + 35. But I'm guessing that'll be enough! :D
     
  8. Apr 1, 2005 #428 of 632
    Chevy-SS

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    Unhappy with the R10

    I have a 50" Samsung DLP. I was using DirecTV with a RCA receiver, with S-video connector. It worked really good and many shows (CNN, for example) were coming in at near-HD quality. I then installed the R10 (using same S-video connector and antenna line) and the picture is much grainier, also with a little ghosting. It's a very noticeable and disappointing difference. Some folks might be happy with it if they didn't know better, but my PQ was great with the RCA receiver and now it's just average at best with the R10 Tivo.

    Some have mentioned swapping this R10 for another unit? Would that improve PQ? I really don't understand what's happening in the R10 unit. Is there an extra digital to analog conversion or something going on in there?

    I really LOVE the convenience of Tivo, but not at the sacrifice of good PQ. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks a bunch
     
  9. Apr 3, 2005 #429 of 632
    C_Roberts

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    Canyon...
    Chevy-SS, I’m using a Toshiba 57HDX82 and the PQ looks as good as Sat TV gets. One thing that makes a Huge difference is to junk the S-Video cables that came with your unit and get a set of quality shielded ones. I’m not talking Monster$$ cables, I bought the GE ones that you can get at Target of Fry’s for about $10 a set and it really is an improvement over the junkers that come with AV equipment. I ended up replacing all of my cables with the GE shielded ones.

    Then again you might just have a bad unit. The second R10 I installed last Monday was incredibly slow for the first two days, push a button and wait 10 to 30 seconds for anything to happen. I was getting ready to return it but by the third day it was fast as the first one.
     
  10. Apr 3, 2005 #430 of 632
    Chevy-SS

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    C_Roberts, I used the same S-video cable that I was using the RCA receiver with. It is a really good shielded cable from Radio Shack. The only part that was changed was the receiver (went from RCA to R10). Even though I am not an electrical engineer, it seems obvious that if I only change out one part, and I get a decrease in PQ, then something in the new part is affecting the PQ.

    Is everything in the R10 digital? I mean, if you can "pause" live TV, that means it is being recorded and then re-broadcast to your set. The PQ loss I am experiencing seems like an extra conversion, maybe digital to analog? I don't know. It's just disappointing to now this crummy PQ on such a beautiful set. I would've spent a lot more money to get a good Tivo unit that did not hurt the PQ.

    Will DirecTV take this unit back and give me a better one? Is there a better one?
     
  11. Apr 4, 2005 #431 of 632
    compac1882

    compac1882 New Member

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    Great thread have been lurking here for a while...
    wanted to know about r10 before talking DTV into the best deal available. Just a thanks to all :)
     
  12. Apr 4, 2005 #432 of 632
    ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    The R10 is just like the others: It records the digital stream from DirecTV, then decodes it to an Analog signal to your TV. ALL DirecTivos do that (With the exception of the HR10-250 HD unit)

    You can certainly "try" one of the older Series 2 models. Any of them will do (Philips DSR Series, is the one I used to recommend)... They are all the same under the case. But do remember, this "could" be a software related issue with v6.x . There have been enough reports now that we just can't assume it is the viewer opion, that v6.x could be effecting the PQ quality.

    It could als be that you have a bum R10, something wrong with it's output.
    If you call DirecTV they will "most likely" exchange it for another R10. You may get lucky and get one of the older models. Normally DirecTV won't "specify" what replacement you will get, just that you will get one.

    But as in most cases, it depends on the CSR you get, and luck of the draw at that time.
     
  13. Apr 4, 2005 #433 of 632
    Hodaka

    Hodaka New Member

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    I too have noticed that my R10 picture quality is not as good as that of my old RCA receiver on the exact same hookup. It's not *that* bad.. but it is something my wife and I both noticed.. After testing, I did a lot of cable moving, switch changes, etc. Same picture quality throughout..

    The menus and not being able to change the color scheme are the worst part. The guide is almost unreadable for my wife, and blurry to me (but readable at least). I believe this is a software issue, but don't know for sure..
     
  14. Apr 4, 2005 #434 of 632
    ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    The color scheme changing is an OVERALL DirecTivo / TiVo thing.
    Not specific to the R10

    As for the guide... for me at least, it is the same size font and readability as any other model DirecTivo.

    But factors (including TV Type, and Size, and Age) do play an important part in that.
     
  15. Apr 5, 2005 #435 of 632
    vince911

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    After two weeks with a new R10 I'd say the PQ is noticably a little better than my old Sony SAT-T60. Sharper and clearer but - YMMV.
     
  16. Apr 6, 2005 #436 of 632
    C_Roberts

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    Wow, if you are using the S-video your guide should not be blurry at all. Both my R-10's have very sharp menu's. I am guessing that there must be a bad batch out there. I also had good performance with my DSR6000 units except they were too slow. I have been lurking here a lot again and it seems it is common for the menu on the R-10 to be blurry. I guess I lucked out to get two good ones. As a long time D*Tivo user I do use the list guide instead of the grid since it is faster and more transparent, but both are very sharp on my TV's.

    I can only suggest

    1) Replace the stock S-Video cable with a quality sheilded one
    2) Set Sharpness on your TV to about 10% (Sat TV doesn't need sharpness like OTA or cable)
    3) use RG-6 cables from the sat to the D*Tivo box(no RG-58,59 splitters)


    Another thing I haven't seen so far is that the R-10 has added the bings and bongs to the optical cable. My DSR6000 only would play them in anolog mode.
     
  17. Apr 6, 2005 #437 of 632
    Chevy-SS

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    I guess I just cannot understand why there is a digital to analog conversion (and resultant PQ loss) when I want to watch live TV. I can reluctantly accept a PQ degradation for a recorded show, but while watching "live TV" the Tivo unit should be able to pipe the clean digital signal right on through.

    The PQ loss is not horrible, mind you, but it is very noticeable. In today's world of $5,000 (and up) HDTV sets, you should be able to expect no PQ degradation from your Tivo unit. I'm just amazed they would build a unit like this.
     
  18. Apr 6, 2005 #438 of 632
    ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    There is the digital to analog conversion, simply because your TV can't accept a DIGITAL signal. It needs an analog signal (this excludes HD defined connections).

    They probably could have used a better grade decoder/modulator to generate the signal for the monitor, but it appears the PQ issue is not consitant. So in some cases (like mine, and others), the PQ is very good. In others it is blurry.
     
  19. Apr 7, 2005 #439 of 632
    tbh999

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    Chevy-SS, all direcTV boxes have a D-A converter. The feed from the SAT is digital, so you need to convert it to watch it on your TV.

    Now, if you are talking HDirecTV and an HDTV, that's another matter, however the R10 is not HD.
     
  20. BeRnWuN

    BeRnWuN New Member

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    Hello all, I am new to Tivo. I have a direcTV r10. I have a media center pc in my living room and just wanted to see if there was a way to pull the files off my r10. Im pretty sure the answer is no from reading through this thread. I have a wireless usb and a home network. Thanks for any help.
     

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