I am new to Directv, was ready to buy the 35hr DVR direct from DTV, which the best deal was going to be $99, with a $50 rebate. After doing some research, I got a 70hr R-10, with a Triple LNB dish, with the install, for $59.99(Most of that cost was the shipping), minus the $50.00 rebate, my net cost was $10 - from Rapidsatellite.com and they are sending me a free DVD player to boot as part of a promo. The box showed up 3 days after ordered , and a professional installer was there the following day taking down my Dish Network and replacing it with my Directv - total order/install process 4 days. Later in my research on this forum, I was hearing how everybody was having difficulty getting R-10s from Directv because they were just being released, but I got mine mid December no problem I have found for both satellite systems and cell phone deals, online is the only way to go for pricing on the equipment, compared to dealing direct with the companies. My 2 cents.