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A Question for TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by k2ue, Sep 22, 2013.

  1. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    1) You are probably such a small subset of TiVo users, that they really can't spend any time trying to make you happy. Seriously, how many users of old generation TiVos (at least 2 gens old) that have copy-protected shows that they HAVE to move to a new TiVo or they won't buy a new one so you miss out on my sale. Say that real fast and you'll realize there are so few of you...

    2) Problem solved with new gen TiVos. Stream. That's the answer.

    You can whine all you want, but your problem doesn't even EXIST in TiVo's universe. So you are asking them to answer a question that in their eyes doesn't get asked.

    Get over it.
     
  2. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    Your pomposity is very hard to "get over". You'll expect us to listen patiently when your ox is gored.
     
  3. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Except for the fact that's he's right on the money, your hardware is old enough that Tivo has pretty much written off its support as a lost cause.

    While we all think it'd be nice and upstanding for Tivo to support ancient hardware, it's not in their business interests to do so, I'd lay good money that it's worth losing you as a customer to them if they can get a new Roamio user, that's the way business works when you're barely scraping by.

    For me? I buy new Tivo hardware pretty much every generation and then sell the old for the cost of lifetime, it's a win-win for me and Tivo.
     
  4. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    And you "sell the old" how, with gigs of stuff on it you haven't watched yet. . . ?
     
  5. Arcady

    Arcady Stargate Fan

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    Just set the new TiVo to record the same show, or download whatever this precious recording is from BitTorrent or whatever. This is a lot of whining about nothing. Eventually, your hard drive will fail and you'll lose that show anyway.
     
  6. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    Within a month or so it's watched or has been recorded by the new Tivo from a new source. If a series or movie is that important to hold up a Tivo Sale then I'll have bought it on DVD/BR or have another way to watch it.

    I'm not a TWC customer, but what's on an old Tivo has never stopped me from getting rid of it.
     
  7. steve614

    steve614 what ru lookin at?

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    Nope, not me. I do a Clear & Delete before I sell. So what if I lose the shows that I couldn't move. It's only TV.
     
  8. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    One can be right, yet diplomatic about asserting one's opinion.
     
  9. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

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    :up:
     
  10. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Active Member

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    I am in that situation now. 3 TiVos (Series 3, TiVo HD, & Premiere) with 5.25TBs of combined storage that is 99% full. I don't need any of them anymore and really don't know what I am going to do. I should sell all three as they have lifetime and are all in very good condition. None of my content is protected so I could move it all but do I really want to spend several hundred dollars buying hard drives for my computer to do so? Hard to answer.
     
  11. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    If you are referring to me, you're right. I was a little curt in my reply.

    The reason for it (which doesn't excuse the curtness) is the recent rise in people who post about some very specific problem related to older TiVos. I'm sure it's prompted by the new Roamio, and now you have users who want the new unit, but won't get it because of some perceived slight related to an eight year old unit.

    "They promised me a multi-streaming M-card but I need two cards for my S3"

    "Why won't they let me move a show I recorded in 2007 to a new TiVo"

    "They never fixed the Netflix app in the Premiere"

    While these are all legitimate gripes, they are not going to be fixed unless they are mission-critical. And they're not. They did just release the first update to Series 3 units in a long time, and that was to fix the TTG cookie issue. And most of us were stunned they did that.

    How many companies release updates for products over 2-3 years old? Very few. And almost no hardware/consumer goods manuf.

    Do you have the right to be upset? Sure, this is the Internet. But just don't expect us to agree or even sympathize with you.

    Hence, my rude but not totally inappropriate "get over it".
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Active Member

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    If one is gentle and sympathetic and understanding when explaining some of those economic facts of life, there's a much better chance of them being able to accept the situation and get over it.

    And it really doesn't use all that many more electrons.

    :rolleyes:
     
  13. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    We will never see another feature update for the S3 units, so even if TiVo implements a move feature it will only apply to newer units. It may not even make it back to S4 units, but definitely not S3 units.

    So all you can do now is hold on to that old S3 unit until you have a chance to watch or re-record everything on it.
     
  14. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    I started the thread with a question related to my XL4 to Roamio Pro transition. Why does asking for a easier transition from last month's top-of-the-line unit occassion so much snark? Usually you have to be in Junior High to be so often reminded of how stupid and uncool you are.
     
  15. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I wasn't trying to be snarky, I was trying to answer the question. But for some reason I thought we were talking about moving from a S3.

    That being said... It's unlikely TiVo will add a "move" feature at all. They mentioned it as a possibility in a survey, but they were referring to moving protected shows to an iPad via the Stream functionality, not TiVo to TiVo.

    However if TiVo does add a move feature there is a chance it could be ported to the Premiere units. As of right now they are basically running the same code base. However based on past history it would need to be added quickly for there to be any hope of it making it back to the Premiere. I'm betting we see one, maybe two, more updates for the Premiere before it's mothballed. So unless this feature is in one of those updates I think hope would be lost.
     
  16. wmcbrine

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    The rules are set by CableLabs. (The FCC regs serve mainly to limit how restrictive CableLabs can be.) Guess who owns CableLabs. They can exempt themselves at will. So only third-party equipment providers, like TiVo, have to worry about these rules.
     
  17. k2ue

    k2ue Retired RF Engineer

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    I wasn't referring to you, Dan -- I thought you were making an effort to be helpful in your replies. But lot of folks seem to have nothing to add but disdain. I've seen references elsewhere to TiVoCommunity degenerating into a snarkfest, so it is not my observation alone. And having been around here from time to time since 2002, I can see the ratio of useful to antagonistic repies has taken a turn for the worse in recent years.
     
  18. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    Dan, he was referring to me. I was a bit testy, which is unusual for me. And now I see k2ue has caught the same bug.

    "Last month's top of the line"? Come on, now you're being as obtuse as I was.

    I'm going to quietly back away, because I have nothing positive to add to this thread.
     

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