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9.2 has arrived...

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by sinanju, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. sinanju

    sinanju Member

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    No, it doesn't.

    No, you can't.


    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/09/microsofts_stealth_update_come.html

    And that isn't the first, nor is it the only stealth update Microsoft has pushed.

    Sorry... you're just wrong. Like I said, MSFT is not the example folks seem to think it is.
     
  2. Saturn

    Saturn Lord of the Rings

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    Ok, for 99% of the updates Microsoft releases, you can get detailed information. Microsoft is facing the consequences of their stealth update right now.

    I didn't say Microsoft was perfect, but certainly closer to ideal than what TiVo does.
     
  3. sinanju

    sinanju Member

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    For some unknown percentage of updates Microsoft releases, you get some amount of information that Microsoft decides that you need. Another unknown percentage of updates that Microsoft releases have no detail at all. A further unknown percentage of critical updates you need are held back on a request-only basis and often cost money.

    But, don't let facts get in the way of a good whinge.
     
  4. Joybob

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    You guys are totally off topic.

    When will there be a 9.2 priority page?
     
  5. qili

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    well, at least there is something from microsoft. That's infinitely better than nothing from TiVo.
     
  6. Saturn

    Saturn Lord of the Rings

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    Now you're just wrong. Requesting a hotfix from microsoft doesn't cost money. Yes, you need to call in, but if you call in specifically stating you are calling to get a particular hotfix, you don't need to provide any payment information. I've done it.

    But you know, facts and all that.

    But rather than arguing what Microsoft does and does not do, how about what TiVo SHOULD be doing?
     
  7. Saturn

    Saturn Lord of the Rings

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    Exactly my point.
     
  8. carroca

    carroca New Member

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    As 9.2 is only for S3/THD boxes, it might not get a priority page at all since the number of these units is still probably small enough that the update can be sent to all of them within a short period of time. They've done it this way in the past for S3/THD-only updates. I am however hoping that this update will be extended to S2 boxes soon because they are not immune to the bugs introduced in 9.1 and even non-techies such as my wife are annoyed by them so there is a large demand for fixes from the huge S2 user-base.
     
  9. Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Too sleepy for TV...

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    Keep in mind, though, that its still not clear whether 9.2 is intended to fix any bugs at all. It may be a planned launch intended to bring better Unbox integration and eSATA support. The n so far is too small for us to have a clear understanding of what is in this release.

    Bottom line: be prepared for it to not fix your bugs, because it might not.
     
  10. bicker

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    TiVo is not selling hamburgers that make their customers sick. Rather, some of their customers are making up a sickness. TiVos aren't ingested, and any impact they have on your body is self-inflicted.

    No question that McDonald's is a first-rate operation. What I wrote was that the communication challenges that TiVo faces is MORE LIKE the communications challenges faced by McDonald's than it is like that faces by B2B contracts. I hope that clears up your confusion.

    McDonald's handles the challenges better than TiVo, as well they should since they're 1800 TIMES LARGER than TiVo.
     
  11. bicker

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    I don't work in the B2C arena, which is what we were talking about.

    Please pay attention! :)
     
  12. bicker

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    TiVo: Has lost money every quarter except one during its entire history.
    Microsoft: Consistently very profitable.

    Here's another relevant datum:

    TiVo: 250 people.
    Microsoft: 79,000 people.

    There is no question in my mind that Microsoft is a top-notch software provider, among the best in the world, despite what a lot of people would like others to believe. TiVo's strength has always been their unique product (no one else provides anything comparable). If TiVo had competition, or were the size of Microsoft, I bet it would be reasonable to expect better service from them.

    Apple: 18,000 people
    Apple: 9.97% profit margin
    Apple: $19 Billion revenue per year
     
  13. Saturn

    Saturn Lord of the Rings

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    I can't tell if you're making excuses for TiVo or agreeing with me. :D
     
  14. qili

    qili New Member

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    I didn't say that my desire to stay away from your piece of software is limited to any particular area.

    Please pay attention! :)
     
  15. mportuesi

    mportuesi As seen on TV

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    This is what I meant earlier in this thread when I said it's a crime in this forum to suggest that TiVo better communicate with its customers. This same discussion comparing Tivo with Microsoft, Apple, et al. happened in the last thread, with the same results. Everyone who dares criticize TiVo is run out of town.

    I want to know how putting together a set of release notes for the "techie" subset of the TiVo user community hurts *anyone*. Especially since the "techies" in this forum are the people who are most loyal to TiVo and have done the most to evangelize TiVo through word-of-mouth. If you were TiVo, wouldn't you want to do just a little bit extra to make them happy?
     
  16. qili

    qili New Member

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    could you please check in with TiVo to confirm the "fact" that TiVo didn't have competition?

    I am sure they would vehemently disagree with you.
     
  17. qili

    qili New Member

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    Yes, if you assume that TiVo is rational, which may not be true.
     
  18. sinanju

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    Personally, I never said that TiVo shouldn't publish release notes. In fact, I wish they would.

    My only point, and I stick by that point, is that MSFT is a seriously bad example of how you would want TiVo to behave with respect to updates.
     
  19. kmill14

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    So for those who want release notes published somewhere, what answer was generated from your last call to tech support asking for this and when did you make that call?
     
  20. Monty2_2001

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    My S3 is still 8.3.1-01-2-648. Sure seems that the rollouts lately are slooowwwww and non inclusive.
     

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