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9.2 has arrived...

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by sinanju, Oct 16, 2007.

  1. yunlin12

    yunlin12 Tivonation Citizen

    Mar 14, 2003
    San Jose, CA
    I do software development for a living, like some of you are, and I didn't come to Tivo forum to discuss Tivo's software development process, yes, they can probably do better in some areas, most companies can. But I don't care. I'm sick of dealing with software development issues on my own job as is. I come here to find out new (and hopefully) cool things about Tivo. To me the most important thing is what's fixed in 9.2, what we get out of it. I don't care how Tivo does it as long as new features are delivered and old ones don't get broken. If this thread is just about how Tivo's development and release process, then I find this thread utterly useless to me. See y'all fellas.
  2. Teeps

    Teeps Active Member

    Aug 16, 2001
    Torrance,Cal. 905xx
    If 9.2 fixes the picture breakup (pixelazation), and the cable cards from going stupid (said channels suddenly gone; requires restart to fix) on digital teir channels, I would be very happy. The rest is just fluff to me.
  3. ToddNeedsTiVo

    ToddNeedsTiVo Shampoo is not toxic

    Sep 1, 2003
    Ankeny, IA
    Good grief, again with the animosity toward those of us who would dare to discuss TiVo's dearth of changelog information. I'm sorry encountering a discussion about software development when you're off the clock bums you out 'n all, but features and enhancements and fixes on a TiVo come about through software development. :rolleyes:

    Since we have little authoritative information about what 9.2 hopes to achieve, because TiVo will not deign to enlighten us beyond a bare minimum, we're left with speculation and venting by us eager (frustrated?) users. I find it entertaining yet informative in its own way. If you don't, let your browser do your bidding. I don't think you need to flaunt your disdain for the thread because that would be um, utterly useless.

    It would be great if we learned more about the officially supported esata products and configurations. I can tell already that I'd love to have more HD capacity on my THD.

    Getting reports of solid CableCARD performance improvements would do a lot to close the deal for people on the fence about S3/THD units. I don't currently have digital cable, but I'm in no hurry to upgrade while these problems persist. I can see the wasted hours of vacation if the install turns into subsequent troubleshooting visits by the cable guy.

    fred2, infinite rabbit hole indeed!

  4. TracySMiller

    TracySMiller New Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Kingsport, TN
    I agree, although I'm not in the software business (just a lowly accountant). When TIVO decides to prepare an update, someone there makes the decision about what to fix. Maybe he/she decides to try to fix, let's say, ten items. Suppose the software engineers are able to fix six of then ten. So there's the list that most of us want so badly. Just release the list. No biggy.
  5. formulaben

    formulaben Formula Tivo Racing

    Jan 27, 2003
    Les Bois
    Uh, OK...so you're NOT bicker1 on another forum? Yeah, thought so...
  6. goldfndr

    goldfndr New Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Bellevue WA
    But... what about when they claim to provide a fix/feature that they don't actually deliver?

    I'm thinking of the TiVoCast logos in Now Playing that were supposed to be in 8.3 but had to be postponed.
  7. quadhog

    quadhog New Member

    Oct 15, 2007
    I attempted a plug and play connection tonight (I have been waiting for official support of this function versus the other option to enable the eSATA drive) and had no luck.

    I have a Seagate FreeAgent Pro 500GB plugged in now. In settings (where CableCARD settings are) the external storage option displayed "Unsupported Device" versus the format hard drive scenario I was hoping for.

    With only one device tested by me this seems odd that only certain models are going to be supported. I await someone else's success story because it's not coming from me.
  8. Sevenpants

    Sevenpants New Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    I'm having the same problem. Just posted over in the eSATA FAQ thread. :(
  9. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    Here's the post (and my reply) Sevenpants (I'd ask about the name...but then...maybe not ;) ) referred to when trying eSATA P&P on his TiVo HD.

    quadhog, did you attempt this with a TiVo HD or an Original S3?

    BTW, thanks for the posts...and welcome! :up:
  10. richsadams

    richsadams New Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    IMHO it's very possible that although eSATA is listed in a new menu in v9.2.j, it's still not activated...the same way that MRV and TTG remnants can be found in previous releases without being operational. It could be activated with the rollout of the final v9.2 upgrade as well.

    That existing eSATA drives are operating properly with v9.2.j is encouraging though.

    However it may be that TiVo will only have one or two "supported devices" of their own which will work as plug and play models and anything else will still require a hack as they do now. Time will tell.
  11. bmoura

    bmoura New Member

    Oct 20, 2002
    9.2J just showed up tonight on my Tivo HD. Guess we'll have to wait to see which drives are Tivo certified for the expansion.
  12. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    Not speaking for yunlin12, but the reality is that this is not a thread to discuss TiVo's software development process. There actually is a thread for moaning about Release Notes, and this is NOT that thread.

    As yunlin12 pointed out, the best use for this thread is people relaying their own personal experiences with 9.2.
  13. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    Are you even paying attention? Read what I wrote again. :rolleyes:
  14. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    Then get rid of your freaking TiVo, dump your service and quit wasting our time.
  15. Ereth

    Ereth Active Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Jacksonville, FL
    Right. Because trying to communicate how a company could do a better job is such a total waste of time.

    I happen to agree with Saturn. It's hard to find a bigger TiVo fanboy than me. For seven years I've been raving about TiVo and how it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    And last week I was forced to take every last season pass off my S3. It is an inert box, useless, because of 9.1 and how it caused my cablecards to stop working. The most important feature TiVo has is reliable recording of shows. Everything else is secondary.

    If it won't record the shows, it doesn't matter whether there's 30 second skip or not. It doesn't matter if it has Wishlists or pixelation or anything else. Trick plays on a blank screen are not interesting. ToDo lists filled with "This show was not recorded because the video signal was not available" is not interesting.

    My TiVos have never missed shows in the 7 years I've been buying them. And then they started missing all of them. That's a pretty serious problem, wouldn't you agree?

    So, right now, I have a $1000 paperweight, with lifetime service. And for the first time EVER, I don't trust that my TiVo will do what I told it. And I've moved to somebody elses DVR because missing shows is unacceptable. Sure, the interface isn't TiVo. The features aren't TiVo. But when I get home at night, the shows I want to watch are there, and THAT is the most important feature.

    Trust is very hard to win, and even harder to regain. I used to trust my TiVos, unconditionally. Now I don't. How do you fix that?

    You fix it with communication. Back in the old days, TiVo would have done exactly that. They would have been in here answering questions. They would have told us that they were working on it. They would have told us that they had a potential fix and it was in testing. They would have told us that they were sending the fix out to a small group of users for field testing. And they would have told us when they were flipping the big switch to send it to everyone.

    No offense to TiVoPony, who I like, but Richard Bullwinkle would have been all over this forum telling us what was going on. I suspect that TiVo itself is different now, and Pony is more limited in what he can say, and that it's not his fault, but as a company, TiVo is far more tight-lipped than they used to be.

    This isn't the first time we've had a significant bug. Read the archives for previous times. What's different this time is the almost total silence coming from TiVo.

    When someone like me, who even came in here to defend TiVo for price changes, to turn his TiVo off and declare it to be "useless" means TiVo has a serious problem, and a company who lives and dies off it's reputation for reliability cannot ignore a problem like that, and certainly will not win new "Raving Fans" by refusing to comment on the issue.

    I'm still here, but my TiVo does not record anything I actually care about any more. Simply because I cannot trust that it will do so reliably.

    Even if TiVo doesn't want to give us "detailed release notes", they absolutely should acknowledge the cablecard problem and let us know if it's fixed. Until we KNOW that it's fixed, my S3 will remain a paperweight. And I damned sure won't be buying another one. And I won't be recommending to my friends that they do, either.

    And that's why TiVo should communicate better. Period.
  16. tivoknucklehead

    tivoknucklehead Member

    Dec 12, 2002
    Orlando Florida

    I couldn't have said it any better, the cablecard "no video signal" is the worst Tivo bug ever and needs to be acknowledged by Tivo ASAP. Like you, i have transferred by important recordings over to a non Tivo DVR until this mess is fixed
  17. GoHokies!

    GoHokies! O2->CO2 Converter

    Sep 21, 2005
    Yes, Tivo certainly could communicate better.

    More important than acknowledging the bug, they should fix it. Does 9.2 fix the problem? Presumably, since we saw 9.1 and then 9.2 in such short order, 9.2 is designed to fix serious bugs like that one. If you don't have it, I think that a quick phone call would get it pushed to you ASAP (hopefully).
  18. bicker

    bicker Gruff

    Nov 9, 2003
    It's a bit like telling your co-workers how your mechanic could have done a better job fixing your car. Neither you nor the people you're telling this to benefit from it. I think everyone wishes TiVo would communicate better... that's not the point. At this point, it has gotten to the point that threads that are ostensibly supposed to be HELPING people get the most out of their TiVos are instead ALL being overrun by people misdirecting their frustration.
  19. dig_duggler

    dig_duggler losing enthusiasm

    Sep 18, 2002
    Birmingham, AL
    Ereth pretty much nailed it for me. The trust issue. Throughout the years, I've never been unsure of whether or not my Tivo would get the recordings. Minor bugs, minor quibbles. I'm pretty vocal about them here, but I still trusted and loved my Tivo. But now it's different. I'm going to be sitting at my Tivo at 6:59 tonight to make sure it works. And not even an admission of a problem. Anywhere. There's still multiple reports that the CSRs don't know about this bug; that level two techs are telling people this bug is impossible; Pony pops in and chimes on an update, but doesn't mention whether or not it addresses a bug that cripples core function for a lot of users. If I didn't have lifetime, I certainly would cancel. I already paid my money (in an exclusive VIP offer that turned out to be extended and then re-offered to the TivoHD) and will now wait around like a chump to see if it gets fixed.
  20. TokyoShoe

    TokyoShoe Frustrated TiVoHD'er

    Jul 27, 2007
    Houston, Texas
    I've been forcing my TivoHD to check every few hours since Tuesday. So far, I'm still stuck on 8.1.something and it hasn't found anything yet. I've got an eSATA drive that I'm dieing to hook up, and my regular TivoHD Drive is almost out of space! I signed up on the 9.1 "Priority Page" as someone in another thread recommended, but still no go.

    Is there ANY other way to force a patch to roll out to a specific Tivo unit faster?

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