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4K HD and Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by ljknight, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yeah, I don't think LCD will be getting all THAT much lighter or thinner than what the best offered now is. Then they would offer *MONITORS* instead- no speakers, no tuners, no "smart" crap, then an LED TV could theoretically be extremely thin... like just a few mm or less. They will have more problems just trying to keep them from "curling" :)
     
  2. DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    I read the same article ;)
     
  3. DCIFRTHS

    DCIFRTHS I dumped SDV / cable

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    OLED's picture quality is their best feature. There is no backlight on an OLED TV, and they have excellent black levels. Also, better contrast than LED or LCD backlit TV's, and no "blooming" to contend with.

    It will take years, but I believe that once OLED matures, and becomes more affordable, it will be the high end display of choice with LED being the mainstream (lower end) offering. For the record, I have a local dimming LED TV, so I have nothing against LED. I just believe that OLED is going to be the future.
     
  4. lessd

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    In about 5 to 10 years you may be correct, OLED has been out, what about 8 years now ? and we are just starting to OLED HDTV with big screens and big prices.
     
  5. Jul 5, 2014 #105 of 161
    ohmark

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    Any recent opinions, in view of developments, as to updating from a Premiere to a Roamio now or waiting for a 4k Tivo (with the assumption that I'd be upgrading to a 4k tv in the next year or two.)?
     
  6. Jul 6, 2014 #106 of 161
    lessd

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    And where would get real 4K resolution from that would use any TiVo even if TiVo had 4K resolution. BD + is the only way I can see full 4K delivery, and that does not involve TiVo.
     
  7. Jul 6, 2014 #107 of 161
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    You will be waiting a very, very long time if you think you are going to see a 4K TiVo. You might want to just update now.
     
  8. Jul 6, 2014 #108 of 161
    Worf

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    Yeah, 4K adoption is probably even slower than 3D TVs. Because at least a 3D TV can use existing standards (if you can do 1080p, you can do 3D with *zero* changes to your infrastructure - you'll just use one of the half-resolution modes). It's how TV stations and all that could quickly transmit a 3D signal.

    4K, well, it requires a total overhaul of the infrastructure. Today, a 4K TV using HDMI 1.4a (needed for full resolution 3D) also gives you only 24, 25 or 30fps. And HDMI 2.0 is just starting to come out (yay, after all the early adopters pick up 4K, a year later they get screwed).

    And since 4K is about quality, you need a higher bandwidth source. Not likely through broadcast TV (3D was easy since very little needed changing).

    Plus, people are realizing they sit too damn far away from the TV most of the time, so a plain old 1080p set is "retina" to them. Going 4K means sitting even closer to the set to get the benefits, to the point of being uncomfortable. So you also need either a wife who will let you go from that 50" to 100", or a wife who complains the living room is too spread out and the furniture needs to move closer in.

    4K for computers though makes some sense, but you're not going to need TiVo for that.

    So get a Roamio, enjoy that, because if 4K makes it to where you need TiVo, your Roamio is probably collected an inch of dust in the garage as you'd have upgraded long before then.
     
  9. Jul 6, 2014 #109 of 161
    ohmark

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    If you access Netflix through Tivo and watch Netflix 4k using a 4k tv (equipped for Netflix 4k), will you have an actual 4k picture (as you would if you accessed Netflix through, say, an Apple TV)?
     
  10. Jul 6, 2014 #110 of 161
    atmuscarella

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    Not sure I 100% understand your question, but my understanding is that right now the only way to get 4K Netflix is by using the Netflix app on a 4K TV. Other existing streaming devices (Roku, Apple TV, TiVo etc.) can not stream Netflix in 4K.
     
  11. Jul 6, 2014 #111 of 161
    tarheelblue32

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    I'd be willing to bet that the next generation Roku will be capable of 4K. It's just the next logical step.
     
  12. Jul 6, 2014 #112 of 161
    aaronwt

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    I had figured 3D was the next step. But when the Roku 3 was released it didn't support 3D. People with 4K TVs is still a very, very minor number of people. But then 3D is also. Although there are many, many times the amount of 3D TVS out there than 4K TVs.
     
  13. Jul 6, 2014 #113 of 161
    ohmark

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    Oh. So, could the upgrading/updating of the Tivo Netflix app result in 4K so that it could pass through to a 4k tv or would the Tivo software itself have to be updated so as to provide a 4k signal to a tv? In other words, even if there is no 4k cable and even if Tivo does not/cannot currently record 4k television, could a Netflix app software update allow current Roamios to provide 4k programming from Netflix? Apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge.
     
  14. Jul 6, 2014 #114 of 161
    aaronwt

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    HDMI 1.4 allows for UHD. But the TiVo chipset would also need to be capable outputting Ultra HD.
     
  15. Jul 6, 2014 #115 of 161
    lessd

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    Why would this be needed as all 4K HDTV will have their own Netflix 4k app built in, now many HDVT do not have any Netflix app built in so the Netflix/Roamio app makes sense, pushing the Roamio to pass through 4k will gain you (or TiVo) nothing.
     
  16. Jul 6, 2014 #116 of 161
    Philmatic

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    The Roamio does not, can not, and will not support 4k video, either OTT through Netflix, or through VoD, or through broadcast signals.

    Can we please lock this annoyingly persistent topic?
     
  17. Jul 7, 2014 #117 of 161
    ohmark

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    Sorry to annoy you. Hope the impact on your life has not been severe.
     
  18. Jul 7, 2014 #118 of 161
    atmuscarella

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    The general conscious is no - there will also need to be a hardware update. This is believed to be the same for pretty much all existing streaming devices (Roku, Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV, Blu-ray players etc.), the only possible (likely?) exception might be new Blu-ray players that indicate they are 4K/UHD ready.

    If 4K/UHD TVs sell well and other sources (Vudu?, YouTube?, HBO to go? Amazon?) of 4K/UHD content start to so up we might start to see hardware updates for some of these devices. But I am guessing that the 4K/UHD TVs will be the streaming devices them selves for at least the next few years. If TiVo is ever going to build DVRs that supports 4K/UHD or not is really an unknown but I find it unlikely to be anytime soon.
     
  19. Jul 7, 2014 #119 of 161
    tomhorsley

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    I do like the 4K (or to be nit-picky UHD) monitor I just got for my computer though :).
     
  20. Jul 7, 2014 #120 of 161
    Philmatic

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    It's been hard, but I am persevering. :D

    It's just that it's a simple question, with a simple answer. It seems like no one is happy with the simple answer so they then ask, Well, what if this, or that.

    No what ifs, it's not happening, it's not possible.
     

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