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4K HD and Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by ljknight, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. Dec 6, 2013 #81 of 161
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Yep.

    And our two 75" Samsung *LCD* TVs just arrived at work today (will be used for presentations) and I started configuring them. Yep.... just as I have always seen. All the default/"normal" settings are positively HORRIBLE. So bright the lighter scenes are washed out completely. So over-saturated it looks like someone used hyper crayons to color everything. So over-smoothed and interpolated, it actually causes the display to LAG by hundreds of milliseconds, which is extraordinarily annoying when connected to a computer and you are trying to move the mouse. All the settings crap is impossible to understand because it has been dumbed down into marketing drivel and, of course, not explained properly at all. It took 40 minutes of experimentation to get a reasonable picture.

    And this is on one of their highest end sets!
     
  2. Dec 6, 2013 #82 of 161
    Dan203

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    But LEDs have a few major benefits that are worth marketing. They have a longer lifespan then the old fluorescent back lights, they are noticeably thinner and some can do local dimming. And since LCD TVs with fluorescent back lighting are still being sold I think it makes since to try an differentiate them. In most cases an LCD TV with LED back lighting is better and listing them as "LED TVs" makes it easier for customers to quickly pick them out. I really don't think this is a bad thing. There will always be uninformed customers that fall for marketing gimmicks, but that's on them not the manufacturers.
     
  3. Dec 6, 2013 #83 of 161
    atmuscarella

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    How about just calling them what they are? Like LED back lit LCDs.

    However if the manufactures just provide a full set of specs why does it matter if it is LED back lit LCD, Florescent back lit LCD, Plasma, or even OLEAD? If the consumer was given honest complete specifications and review sites did honest reviews the consumer could buy TVs that met their requirements. If thin matters you buy thin, if using less energy matters you buy one that uses less energy, if picture quality matter you buy one with a better picture, etc. etc., the TV that comes closets to providing what you want (at your price point) is what you buy, the technology being used to achieve what you want should be fairly irrelevant.

    What rubs me wrong about this type of marketing is they act like being LED back lit is what matters, when in fact it is not. How the TV performs is what matters.
     
  4. Dec 10, 2013 #84 of 161
    Devx

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    It's a race to move sets. When visiting the big box stores with their bright lights, those TVs with overly bright settings and oversaturated 'vibrant' colors catch peoples attention. Manufacturers are going with what works to compete and sell TVs. Nevermind that those settings won't look great when the TV is at the consumers home. The problem there is that if they did a good job calibrating at the factory for realistic tones and color accuracy, their sets would look downright dull compared to the competition with their oversaturation.

    I think I can top the story about those that have nice expensive sets without a full theater setup or poor calibration. There are still those that have a nice, newer midrange? (42-46") HD LED-LCD sets with only SD sources. Let's put aside enhanced audio for a moment, calibration could probably help but only to an extent. There is no HD channel as part of their lineup. I should add, their cable provider has HD channels but they have chosen not to subscribe. These TVs have only SD over coax and DVD sources. Before we move to 4k, can we update everyone to at least 720p? Obviously my experience isn't indicative of the larger population but I know 3 households like this. Those people don't need a higher resolution TV, they need their sources to receive an upgrade first.
     
  5. Dec 10, 2013 #85 of 161
    lessd

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    A lot of people I know are watching SD on a nice HDTV, it not my problem, but some of these people also stretch the SD picture to fill the screen UG!!
     
  6. Dec 10, 2013 #86 of 161
    tim1724

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    The worst is if they use one of those non-linear scaling modes that stretches the edges more than the middle. Whenever the camera pans horizontally I get seasick.

    I find myself looking for someplace to sit where the TV is out of sight whenever I'm at the house of someone who does that.
     
  7. Dec 10, 2013 #87 of 161
    Dan203

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    My Sister does this. She leaves her TiVo set to "full" at all times, even though I've showed her multiple times how to adjust it. What's really bad is she'll watch SD movies that are letterboxed and still leave it on "full" so it's stretched AND has the black bars on the top/bottom.

    I'm an HD snob and refuse to watch anything that's not HD unless I absolutely have to. And now that Charter finally added all channels I watch in HD I should never have to watch SD again.

    My Mom and Sister will continue to watch SD because they refuse to learn the new channel numbers for the HD equivalents. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Dec 10, 2013 #88 of 161
    lessd

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    OK I will admit besides some friends my wife also likes SD because of the almost unlimited storage, she records only the SD channels so she does not have to deal with running out of space, with over 3000 hours of SD storage she only watches about 10% of what she records, but happy wife happy husband. (she does watch with bars on the TV as she wants no picture distortion)
     
  9. Dec 10, 2013 #89 of 161
    Dan203

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    Well at least she's watching it right. But with a min of 2TB (based on your sig) she would be able to record about 300 hours of HD. I can't imagine that wouldn't be enough unless she's a hoarder.
     
  10. Dec 10, 2013 #90 of 161
    lessd

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    She has the 3Tb and yes she is a hoarder, as she may record say 100 Dr OZes and look and see if any have anything that she has interest in.
    She will record the full series of anything she thinks may be good, if after the season is over if her friends say it was NG she will just delete the folder, if they say it was good she watches the full season without the one week wait between each episode.
    It is her HDTV so it does interfere with my 80" HDTV in another room.
     
  11. Dec 10, 2013 #91 of 161
    Dan203

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    Man women watch stupid TV! My wife almost exclusively watches reality TV and talk shows. We watch a few network shows together, like CSI, Criminal Minds and The Mentalist, but for the most part she spends her TV time watching Real Housewives, Teen Mom, Dance Moms, etc... I can't even stand listening to that crap when I'm in the other room playing on my iPad let alone actually watching it. :)
     
  12. Dec 10, 2013 #92 of 161
    crxssi

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    A lot of men watch stupid reality drama TV too. I hate it.

    As for the video incorrect scaling, I am 100% with you. I can tolerate SD on occasion, but it better be at the native aspect ratio or *BARF*.
     
  13. Dec 11, 2013 #93 of 161
    anthonymoody

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    I literally never watching anything SD except industry screeners which are beginning to pour in as always this time of year. And even that annoys me!! I mean hell you're trying to impress me with your product, the least you can do is deliver it on bluray.
     
  14. Dec 11, 2013 #94 of 161
    DCIFRTHS

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    The curved sets are just horrible. It serves no purpose other than to make the set look "cool".
     
  15. Dec 11, 2013 #95 of 161
    Dan203

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    I read an article that specifically quoted LG and Samsung as saying that the current price points on OLED are so high that they went with the curved screen specifically to make them look cool and appeal to the type of people that can actually afford them. If they made them flat they wouldn't look much different then LCD TVs but with a much higher price.

    As the technology improves and becomes more reasonable then it will eventually replace LCD for high end flat TVs.
     
  16. Dec 11, 2013 #96 of 161
    crxssi

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    I wouldn't be too sure. Remember, LCD today is not LCD of 20 years ago or 10 years ago or even a few years ago. That technology is improving continuously also. At this point, the gap between LCD and LED is closing more and more. At the point LED sets are actually affordable, there might be little to no advantage of LED anymore...

    Look at LCD vs. LED displays on phones. Personally, I find the LCD ones to be much sharper and pleasant to look at. The LED ones have a little bit blacker blacks and a little better viewing angle. But they also wash out a lot easier.
     
  17. Dec 11, 2013 #97 of 161
    Dan203

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    I think the big advantage of OLED is that they're capable of being paper thin (hence the ability to have a curved screen) and super light. They'll eventually be able to make huge TVs that are light enough to be hung on the wall like a painting without special mounts. This would also significantly cut the costs of shipping and reduce storage space in warehouses. It's been a while since I read about it but I think that they are also easier to manufacturer. I know they have yield problems right now, and that's what's driving up costs, but I believe that they make OLED screens by basically printing them on a giant inkjet. As the materials improve, yields will improve, and OLEDs should eventually be cheaper then LCDs to make. But who knows. They've been improving LCD so fast that all the advantages of OLED may become irrelevant by the time they come to fruition.
     
  18. Dec 11, 2013 #98 of 161
    aaronwt

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    My GFs mom does this. WHen they got DirecTV they only got STBs. I told them to get the DVRs and make sure they could get HD but didn't listen. So for no extra cost they could have had HD DVRs for their TVs. Instead, they only are SD capable on their HD sets. Although she is in her late 80's so I guess I can give her some slack. :)
     
  19. Dec 11, 2013 #99 of 161
    aaronwt

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    I used to use that mode back in 2001. I thought it was better than the linear stretch. But sometime in 2002 I stopped stretching anything and viewing it in the normal aspect ratio. Since then I can't stand any type of stretching of 4:3 content.
     
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    I couldn't stand the curved OLED that BestBuy had. And several feet away was the Sony 84" 4K set. Which was much better looking than the OLED.
     

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