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4K HD and Tivo

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by ljknight, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. Nov 27, 2013 #21 of 161
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    Agreed.

    When LED TV's come out, it will be interesting, but I think they are much further away than most people expect. And when they finally arrive, they are likely to be very, very expensive, and very small.

    Meanwhile, LCD technology keeps getting better and better with each generation. The replacement of florescent with LED backlighting allowed them to use even less power, become more reliable (in theory) and get even thinner.
     
  2. Nov 27, 2013 #22 of 161
    aaronwt

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    I would take the 4k sets I saw at magnolia over the OLED set they had. The oled set did look nice, but it was very expensive for the size. Plus native 4k content blew away anything I saw on the oled set. Native 4k content seemed truly like looking through a window.
     
  3. Nov 27, 2013 #23 of 161
    Dan203

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    H.265 isn't even ready yet. When were at NAB back in April all the H.265 encoders were "experimental" and could only encode with basic settings at ~7fps. We're still years away from H.265 becoming mainstream, and without H.265 4K is not even possible. I'm betting 5 years minimum before 4K content is available, and even then it will be severely limited.
     
  4. Nov 27, 2013 #24 of 161
    Davelnlr_

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    I would be happy if the content was delivered in 1080p before worrying about 4K. Only DirecTv and maybe DISH will have the bandwidth to even consider more than maybe one or two 4K channels anyway. Im waiting for an affordable 60" OLED that isnt curved. I would be much more interested in spending my cash on that.
     
  5. Nov 28, 2013 #25 of 161
    aaronwt

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    They already plan on having disc based 4K content out by the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2014. (They currently have hard drive based 4K content available for Sony 4K TVs)Of course there will certainly be much more 4K content available at the end of 2018 then there will be at the end of 2014. Just like there was much more HD content in 2010 than there was in 2006. Although I bought much more HD content in 2006 than I did in 2010

    I know personally I'm in no rush to get a 4K TiVo since I doubt I will get a 4K TV anytime soon. My main 1080P set is 82" so there is no way I could go to a smaller set. And right now the 84" 4K sets are way too expensive. I would be surprised to see them down to a decent level anytime soon. Although the smaller 4K sets have been coming down, but I already sit 9 feet away from my 82" DLP set. I would need sit very close to one of the new small 4K sets to even get the benefit.
     
  6. Nov 28, 2013 #26 of 161
    Dan203

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    Maybe, but there is a LOT of new tech involved here that has to fall inline. A brand new codec, a new 3 layer BD disc, players capable of playing the discs, HDMI 2.0, 4K TVs with HDMI 2.0 ports, A/V receivers with HDMI 2.0 ports and support for whatever audio codecs they decide to add to these discs. I'm just not sure it's all going to fall in line by the end of next year.
     
  7. Nov 28, 2013 #27 of 161
    bobrt6676

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    +1 :D:D:D:D
     
  8. Nov 28, 2013 #28 of 161
    crxssi

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    Well, think of the bright side... You will have many years to save for it while waiting ! :)
     
  9. Nov 28, 2013 #29 of 161
    DigitalDawn

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    I think LG has a 77-inch 4K OLED coming out. Don't remember f it's curved or not.

    BTW, as stated here, there's a 4K disc format in the works, and the ATSC is working on a future (2017-2018) 4K standard. It's my understanding that H.265 can fit two 4K broadcasts in the same space as a single 1080i MPEG2 broadcast channel.

    So by no means is 4K a dead end.
     
  10. Nov 28, 2013 #30 of 161
    steve614

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    Indeed, considering that the file size of a single movie shot in 4K can be up to 250GB (maybe even larger than that).
    I don't think they make a hard drive big enough to make a 4K DVR worth owning. :D
     
  11. Nov 28, 2013 #31 of 161
    atmuscarella

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    I don't think 4K is dead but I don't think it is going to be main stream anytime soon. All we have right now are some TVs that don't really have (& likely never will have) a viable way to access native 4K content.

    Think about what has to happen. First they have to finish developing the tech (h.265, HDMI 2.0, at a minimum) and then basically everything has to be replaced. For the consumer every device they have TV, blu-ray player, receiver, etc., for the OTA broadcaster most or all of their broadcast equipment, for the cable & Satellite provider all their equipment.

    So no 4K certainly isn't dead but the only play anyone has now to "future proof" themselves is to buy nothing.
     
  12. Nov 28, 2013 #32 of 161
    Dan203

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    That's why they need H.265. H.265 is suppose to offer 50% more compression compared to H.264. 4K has 4x the number of pixels if 1080p. A typical 1080p BD movie encoded in H.264 requires about 35GB if space. So they're hoping that H.265 will allow them to compress the same movie at 4K resolution in the 70-100GB range.
     
  13. Nov 28, 2013 #33 of 161
    series5orpremier

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    So just buy your Roamios now, use them for five years, then reevaluate 4k. By then you may have forgotten about 4k, or will need to wait at least another five years before widespread mainstream content becomes available.
     
  14. Nov 29, 2013 #34 of 161
    DigitalDawn

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    Rewind to 1999-2000.
     
  15. Nov 29, 2013 #35 of 161
    anthonymoody

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    4K is a when question, not an if question.

    Netflix will stream 4K in 2014. A 4K bd standard will be finalized in 2014. The hdmi 2.0 spec was recently finalized and you can expect just about every product category to be announced with hdmi 2.0 at CES in January. (And btw both Sony and Samsung are providing an upgrade path to hdmi 2.0 for their existing sets).
     
  16. Nov 29, 2013 #36 of 161
    lessd

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    That statement was also made about SVHS VCRs and it happened but few went to the party, unless 4K is the only option IMHO it will never make it as it is not needed, except for big home movie systems. (I don't predict past 10 years) HDTV was a big step up for almost any screen size.
     
  17. Nov 29, 2013 #37 of 161
    DigitalDawn

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    I would normally agree with you -- just look at 3D. But when you get the ATSC planning on a new standard to supplant the current TV system, one would assume that it's more than a fad. This one has teeth.
     
  18. Nov 29, 2013 #38 of 161
    atmuscarella

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    I agree with this.

    It will be interesting to see how low of a bit rate people will find acceptable when they have spent 1000s of $$s on a 65" or large 4K TV.

    I wouldn't get to excited. They will finish ATSC 2.0 first (which is backward compatible and has nothing to do with 4K). The earliest anyone is going to see ATSC 3.0 (needed for 4K) is maybe 2017 and because it is not backwards compatible, it will be interesting to see how fast it is implemented without the Gov. forcing the issue.

    The reality is that TV Manufactures will want a premium for 4K for as long as possible. Which means most people buying smaller sets (under 60") will not touch it. At some point the cost may be lowered enough for it to become main stream but I am guessing we are 5-10 years out from that happening.
     
  19. Nov 29, 2013 #39 of 161
    series5orpremier

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    I'll bet most people's "high-speed" internet connections would get exposed as not being fast enough to handle it.
     
  20. Nov 29, 2013 #40 of 161
    Andrewp75

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    Does anyone know what video processing chip the roamio uses?
     

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