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20.4.1 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. Apr 4, 2014 #61 of 442

    rgr Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    So? I shouldn't report or ask about a glitch because it doesn't affect me or because I've found a workaround?
  2. Apr 4, 2014 #62 of 442

    kbmb Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2004
    I think that's why he called it an "oddity" and not a problem.

  3. Apr 4, 2014 #63 of 442

    midas I heard that

    Jun 1, 2000
    Well I'll see if the overlap bug is fixed tonight. I have a baseball and a hockey game setup back to back on the same channel. The baseball game has a 1½ hour pad that will overlap with the hockey game. This same scenario failed to record the hockey game the last time it happened.
  4. Apr 4, 2014 #64 of 442

    dbattaglia001 Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    My stream now doesn't work after software update. Took me several hours last night restarting router, tivo roamio pro, iOS app, etc and thought it was working. But now this morning it won't recognize my stream am I am sol to do ooh streaming or downloads.

    Anyone have issues with roamio internal stream because of updated software?
  5. Apr 4, 2014 #65 of 442

    humbb Member

    Jan 27, 2014
    Northern CA
    I can't get the Roamio Pro to connect to my Android app on the local network. It keeps trying, but all it does is drain the phone battery. It does connect if I sign in, but then the features are limited. Thank goodness I don't depend on the app for streaming. ;)
  6. Apr 4, 2014 #66 of 442

    randian Member

    Jan 15, 2014
    The Recording Options screen is missing Keep Until Space Needed/Keep Until I Delete. A rather bizarre omission in my opinion.
  7. Apr 4, 2014 #67 of 442

    brianric Active Member

    Aug 29, 2002
    Pennsville, NJ
    This. :up:
  8. Apr 4, 2014 #68 of 442

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    Give them another 10 years, they'll add that option. :D
  9. Apr 4, 2014 #69 of 442

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    EXACTLY...why the heck, in the new default recording options, isn't there one for KUID? That's the one I would much prefer over all the others....major omission...
  10. Apr 4, 2014 #70 of 442
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    It might be the notion that if everything is KUID, then KUID is useless?
  11. Apr 4, 2014 #71 of 442

    TiVoMargret VP Product Dev & Chief Design Officer, TiVo

    Feb 2, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    If you here the loud burst-of-static, please email margret@tivo.com with the subject "loud burst-of-static" and let me know the make/model number of your TV and your TSN.

  12. Apr 4, 2014 #72 of 442

    TiVoMargret VP Product Dev & Chief Design Officer, TiVo

    Feb 2, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    We are tracking a separate issue with OOH streaming that is unrelated to the software update, but can be triggered by a reboot (which a software update causes).

    UPDATE: I've been told this issue has been resolved.

  13. Apr 4, 2014 #73 of 442

    TiVoMargret VP Product Dev & Chief Design Officer, TiVo

    Feb 2, 2008
    Silicon Valley
    We are working on another solution, but in the meantime, if you want to clear the S03 error from your Mini, disconnect it from your network whenever you don't need to use it, and do NOT force any connections to the TiVo Service. This will give it the best chance of running garbage collection and cleaning up the issue that is preventing it from loading the new software. (Sorry, but you may need to leave it disconnected for up to 3 days.)

    Again, we are working on a better solution for those of you in this state -- I just wanted to give you something you could try on your own.

  14. Apr 4, 2014 #74 of 442

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
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  15. Apr 4, 2014 #75 of 442

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
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  16. Apr 4, 2014 #76 of 442

    ggieseke Well-Known Member

    May 30, 2008
    I doubt that nooneuknow and I are the only ones that wish they had fixed the overlap problems instead of sending our TiVos back to the old way of doing things. DirecTV has had this working for years and it shouldn't be that hard.

    If this is a workaround until the summer update, so be it. If they're giving up on same-tuner overlap altogether it's time to hire new programmers.
  17. Apr 4, 2014 #77 of 442

    uw69 Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Wow...just wow.
  18. Apr 4, 2014 #78 of 442

    MHunter1 TiVo Bug Hunter

    Oct 11, 2007
    Silicon Valley
    This new "Default Recording Options" feature is intended to simplify the process of setting up a new Season Pass or Wish List. If KUID was chosen as the default option, it would surely cause major annoyances when the DVR is low on disk space and the user keeps getting "[program] will be deleted early" warnings and other To Do List conflicts because the DVR can't predict when you'll manually delete your existing and scheduled KUID recordings.
  19. Apr 4, 2014 #79 of 442

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    Considering that it was enabled two updates ago, then disabled, then re-enabled, only to be re-disabled, I'm thinking TiVo got rid of a few too many of their staff, and/or desperately needs volunteers for Beta Testing / Field Trials.

    The last time I recall TiVo reaching out looking for volunteers was for that years-long S3/THD "gray screen" issue, which was only resolved shortly before it was end-of-lifed. That doesn't instill great confidence in me, for the "Summer Update" re-introduction of the enhancement. At least we have somebody employed directly by TiVo, who acknowledges the issue(s), as opposed to only the clueless call-center drones, who follow outdated one-size-fits-all scripts.

    I agree with aaronwt, about "putting all eggs in one basket", as many have gone to one central TiVo Roamio and Minis. Who would want to risk everything, for close to nothing but being stuck with an NDA, greatly limiting what they can discuss publicly during, and after, participating in a Beta or Field Trial?

    If TiVo wants to ship me a loaner to test, I'll test. Otherwise, it's just not worth the risk and NDA, which is perpetual (doesn't end/expire). I prefer to keep the ability to speak freely, and not worry about TiVo terminating my lifetime TiVo service x3, and any other measures they can use on those who share things they aren't supposed to, during/after participating.

    I'd bet on the enhanced overlap not appearing any sooner than a "Fall Update". I'm figuring too many who went with a 6-tuner Plus/Pro, who can live with the old/usual handling of overlaps, and too few who went with 4-tuner Base model, who might rather live with the flawed feature, until fixed. If TiVo had made OTA an option for the 6-tuner Plus/Pro, I doubt there'd be the divide between the have and have-nots, which IMO is also a hindrance to progress, since it creates two sub-platforms to test for Roamio, while they still try to pass what they can to the sub-platforms of the Premiere.

    A poll thread exists titled "Plus/Pro owners, would you buy add-on OTA tuner?" http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=516152 , which currently shows ~62% interested in buying an add-on OTA tuner for the Plus/Pro, if one was available, and further divides it between "Yes" and "Maybe, depends on price". It seems like TiVo underestimated the demand for 6-tuner OTA, or the ability to fallback to OTA (I'm the latter).
  20. Apr 4, 2014 #80 of 442

    aristoBrat Active Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Va Beach, VA
    I don't care about live sports either, but the fact is that live sports on CBS Sunday afternoons can run long, causing every single show that CBS airs Sunday evenings (on the east coast, with a normal start time of 7:00PM or later) to be delayed by an unknown number of minutes (between 0 and 60).

    The compensation that many folks came up to deal with this situation is to pad the end of each show by 45 or 60 minutes, which creates overlapping recordings. The overlapping recordings bug causes recordings to be miss.

    If you don't do a large pad, then you risk missing the last 15-30 minutes of your show, depending on how long the afternoon sports delayed everything.

    My thought has always been that if TiVo were east-coast based, their staff would have experienced this crap with the overlapping recordings first hand, and it would have been fixed a lot sooner. Because you're right, ... to explain it to folks like you in other time-zones, it requires a detailed set of procedures to setup that situation. However, for many of us in the east coast, that set of procedures boils down to "trying to use the TiVo like normal".

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