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20.4.1 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. bigguy126

    bigguy126 Member

    Sep 4, 2007
    Last night Roamio pro was recording 2 channels and I was watching one of them in delay. The delayed one's picture and audio froze for like 5 seconds and I knew it was going to reboot. I quickly hit the tivo button and it seemed to get it out of that state. New behavior to me since last update.
  2. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    In the Series 2 days my wife use to use KUID than came to me about why her TiVo stopped recording many programs after a two week vacation, she was about to throw the TiVo out the window, it took me some time to find out that KUID was the problem and I almost called TiVo. With 6 tuners an option KUID for all recordings will give more problems than it will solve, what happens when say you want to save only one NBC news program and use KUID by error when setting up your SP ??
  3. Bierboy

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Quad Sillies
    Who the hell says "use KUID for all recordings"? I sure didn't. All I (and several others) are saying is let us CHOOSE as a default for crap's sake; that doesn't mean we'll KUID all recordings. How complicated is that?
  4. rgr

    rgr Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    I assume it was left out because they no longer saw the rationale for keeping it, what with the much larger drive spaces now available. I rarely go above 20% usage and so this option or lack therof has zero impact on me. My comment was a sincere attempt to see a middle ground between the absolutists on both sides ("TiVo made a change for some good reason and that is good enough for me" vs. "since I like the way it was it should never change"). And if they made the change to piss me off, it failed - since I'm not pissed off in the slightest.
  5. spaldingclan

    spaldingclan Member

    Aug 22, 2012
    try cutting the cord and you'll almost never go over 10% full. I have much less for choice to record than I used to and now I'm almost always caught up. I KUID stuff that I want to keep for a LONG time.
  6. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    You can't have it both ways.

    Just as the participants in this poll are not typical TiVo users, neither are those that install larger hard drives.

    If the larger hard drives make it so your drive never fills up, then setting a show to KUID isn't going to cause you to miss recording something, now is it?

    Finally, I am really tired of people thinking that the way they use a TiVo and its features is the "right" way to use it. And/Or insist that TiVo limit the capabilities to the lowest common denominator.

    Edit: Sorry about about posting this in this thread. I had two notifications when I came back to my computer and got confused as to which thread I was in. Would people please refrain from posting here about KUID and instead move it to the new thread?
  7. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    +1 :up:

    So, does that make us relatives now?

    The way you just laid it out is as good, or better than, I could've. Some of the same folks arguing about this are the very same folks who have told me, I can't have it both ways, or how I use my TiVo is irrelevant. Yet, here some of them are wanting it both ways, and saying how they use their TiVo is of the utmost relevance. When the next update rolls, I fully expect more of the same, and from some of the same people.
  8. enzo thecat

    enzo thecat New Member

    Apr 8, 2014
    Comcast Hell
    Why dont I have this option?????????

    I have no such option. My menu looks like this..

    Overlap Protection, Extend Live Recordings, Tivo Suggestions

    "Extend Live Recording" is just a Yes/No option to remind me to add extra time.
  9. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002

    You are a are recent TiVo owner
    you didn't sign up for the early release
    the general release has been delayed

    therefore you are not running the latest s/w version that added this option.
  10. enzo thecat

    enzo thecat New Member

    Apr 8, 2014
    Comcast Hell

    Okay. Thanks. Still learning how all this works. The Tivo experience is definitely unique
  11. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

    Jan 14, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ
    Pandora should have been listed also; now works with all video resolutions (not just 720p and greater)
  12. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    People (not you of course) will set up the KUID a the standard option and forget to change it for each SP they don't need KUID, ergo the DVR will eventually have a problem by getting full.
    With 300 to 450 hours KUID is not needed for most people, except people with OCD.
  13. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time TCF Club

    Nov 9, 2002
    Must refrain from commenting. :mad:
  14. GmanTiVo

    GmanTiVo give me more options

    Mar 8, 2003
    Ridgewood, NJ
    lessd, a comment like this lands you on my "Ignore" list, glad to not read your posts any longer <poof>

    [On the soap box]

    Dear TiVo,
    It is fine to have a pre-set out of the box plug and play default setting BUT as a long time owner & user of your equipment I am a stounch advocate of allowing owners of a TiVo DVR to make their own choices and have maximum flexibility with regards to settings, viewing & recording options to enhances one's own viewing pleasure and of course never to the detriment of the basic fundamental recording capability of the DVR

    Enuff said on this topic..... hopefully someone a TiVo is listening and checking their ego at the door.

    [Stepping off]

  15. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

    Feb 28, 2001
    You're a staunch advocate of that, and I greatly sympathize, but TiVo is not and never has been. Despite their slogan, TiVo has never been about fine-grained options for the user - there's been any number of them proposed over the years and not implemented. TiVo is about ease of use and is about that even more now that the focus is on the cable system TiVos. TiVo undoubtedly has a high-priority goal of minimizing the calls to customer support; that is a very important goal for the cable companies (and really, given the general quality of cable company support folks, minimizing the amount that they have to know is indeed important!!)

    The KUID option would be nice, but as seen in the Series 1 days with tiny disks, it caused a lot of problems, and those problems were often non-obvious and very definitely not understandable by some users without a lot of support effort. TiVo knows this, so I suspect there's a high hurdle for the KUID default option. When I picture a typical cable company support person dealing with KUID problems, I shudder!
  16. bbrown9

    bbrown9 Member

    Mar 12, 2011
    I don't understand. Are people OK with TiVo deleting shows they've already recorded but haven't watched yet? How is that any different? I'd be more upset about that because the newer stuff can sometimes be found again in the schedule again. Not so much for the older stuff.
  17. midas

    midas I heard that

    Jun 1, 2000
    Well there's two parts to your question.

    First, yes, I'm OK with that. If I haven't bothered to mark something KUID and it eventually gets deleted that means it's been on the Tivo for a long time. If I haven't watched in such a long time, it can't be that important.

    The second part is actually more important because it has nothing to do with my personal preference. People were calling support, not only because things didn't get recorded, but also because they couldn't even schedule things when their Tivo wasn't actually full.
  18. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    Yes, I'd be very mad, if it weren't for KMTTG.

    It took about 5 minutes to clear ~300 to 500 deleted items (each) on three Roamios, and 99% of that 5 minutes was just letting KMTTG clear them out.

    Ctrl-A to select all, then press permanently delete.

    Don't try to do it on more than one TiVo at a time, as it (in my case) didn't work to try and do them all. Still, only ~5 minutes total, to wait for one to finish, move on to the next, wait, then I did the third TiVo, easy-peasy, and done.

    Perhaps multiple instances of KMTTG running could do multiple, concurrently, but that might have taken longer. ;)
  19. MisterTWo

    MisterTWo New Member

    Aug 20, 2012
    I had the exact same problem for the first time last night, the screen would freeze until I hit skip back then skip 30 seconds. It happened probably 10 times while watching a recording (but ff'd to live) with shows recording in the background. This is the first time I've had this issue since my Roamio was updated to 20.4.1 last week.
  20. nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

    Feb 5, 2011
    Cox Cable...
    I've had four distinct reboots, while doing very different things.

    1. Doing nothing.
    2. Watching Live TV.
    3. Watching a recording.
    4. Watching Netflix.

    I'd say I've had at least seven reboots since the update, and that's just one Roamio. They are all supposedly on "log-monitoring", and I've been diligent in using the 777-clear for AV matters, and 911-clear for reboots and show-stoppers. I just hope somebody is actually doing something with it all. It's a lot of entertainment-interruptus... :( :mad:

    I'd love to be rolled-back, as long as that doesn't cause more problems. I didn't ever have any Netflix reboots on the prior software, which I was doing Netflix marathons on for hours-on-end. That's why I haven't posted anything in the Netflix issue threads in so long.

    My official opinion on this update is: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

    I understand it may be better for those who had missed recordings, due to the overlap glitch/issue, and made use of long paddings. I never do that, so I don't get to see any relief. I get the feeling that if these same folks start getting reboots, they'll find themselves just as unhappy.

    I'm seeing quite a few mentions of reboots since the update, across many threads, and new forum members creating new threads, rather than finding their way here...

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