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20.3.8 Release Notes

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by TiVoMargret, Dec 12, 2013.

  1. MHunter1

    MHunter1 TiVo Bug Hunter

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  2. Jed1

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    I contacted Margret via email today and she asked me to send her my TSN's and also describe the video issues with TiVo Central. I also described the guide issue to. I do not think they are aware of these issues as she is not really monitoring this forum. Besides today the last time she logged into this site was back in December.

    I mentioned a while back that if you have issues with a update always post it in her update threads as I do not think she has time to be reading dozens of threads to get information about bugs. It is easier for her to monitor the threads she started.
     
  3. slowbiscuit

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    It will stop (black screen and other res change issues), and you'll probably not be able to see the diff with 1080i/p fixed vs. native but you won't know until you try it.

    And Tivo is only going to send 1080p for streamed sources (Netflix mainly) since there is no broadcast TV using it, so everything will go to your TV as 1080i. I see absolutely no diff with Tivo sending native or converting everything to 1080i, picture-wise.
     
  4. Jed1

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    I tried a fixed resolution before I posted, I lose some detail on the 720p channels. My downstairs TiVo goes through my Onkyo receiver and I have my Kuro set for 24 frame playback. My upstairs TiVo goes directly to my other Kuro and I feed the audio to my older Onkyo receiver by optical.

    The videos in the Movie Fon App are in 1080p. I was surprised to see that.
     
  5. Jed1

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    I had to contact Margret to get the App store and I received it on early Thursday morning. I really like the Accuweather App. I ran into one problem with the Accuweather App, if I click on the map button I get a pop up message saying "Forbidden URL". I also find it hard to navigate the store with the remote as your options for button clicks are limited. It seems it would be easier with a mouse and keyboard.

    I also filed three bug reports related to this update with Margret and they are looking into them. I do not think anybody at TiVo is really following these threads on this forum so I would recommend sending your complaints directly to TiVo. I also recommend that any issue with bugs related to these updates should be posted in the threads that Margret starts as I do not think she has the time to read all the various threads on this forum.
     
  6. NorthAlabama

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    i've seen the message on other apps, too, but can't remember where. is there an online avenue to report these when they happen?
     
  7. shamilian

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    I definitely see the difference on content 720p converted to 1080i.

    They need to fix this.

    I am disappointed they went ahead with a full roll-out of this release, since I reported the problem within a few day of priority list roll-out.

    Why do they bother with the staggered roll-out if they don't fix bugs reported during that period ?
     
  8. Jed1

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    I sent an email to Margret but I have not heard anything back. Other than this I have no clue where to report bug issues with the Opera TV Apps Store.
     
  9. Jed1

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    It is a really bad idea to convert a progressive image to an interlaced image only to have it converted back to a progressive image by the display. The only time that would be a good idea if your display was natively 1080i but these types of displays have not been made for at least ten years now.
    DLP's, LCD's, and Plasma displays are progressively scanned fixed pixel digital displays, 720p or 1080p.
    It is best to let the display to all the conversion work as this eliminates the possibility of errors happening from to much processing by other devices. Also I would not recommend using component cabling as this converts the digital signal to analog and then has to be converted back to digital at the display.
     
  10. slowbiscuit

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    It's entirely in the eyes of the beholder - what you say may technically be true but IMO only the best displays will see a diff. For the vast majority there is no downside to avoiding this issue with fixed res output, and it comes with the side benefit of not seeing mode sync delays going from 720p to 1080i/p.
     
  11. Jed1

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    While using TiVo Central a week ago on Friday night my UI rebooted itself, which never happened to me before. When the TiVo menu came back I noticed I had the new Pandora App and the icon for the Opera TV Store changed from a big red O to a white bag with a small red O. I am not certain but I think the icons for the Tech Crunch App and MovieFone App changed also.
    I manually rebooted the UI on my upstairs TiVo to get the new Apps.

    I also watched and deleted two shows and did not experience the black menu bug but got clobbered with it on Sunday night every time I watched a recorded program and deleted it when done.
    I noticed that the resolution of the TiVo Central menu retains the resolution of the HD channel you are watching and this speeds up navigation by eliminating the need for an HDMI handshake. The problem is parts of the HD Menu system is still not HD and most of the time the handshake will not occur and cause the menu to be black. This does not affect Live TV or any recordings being made.
    If they make the entire menu system in HD then this problem will go away.

    I guess this problem will be addressed in the next update which I believe will change TiVo Central on the Premieres to the one used on the Roamios. I wonder if this will also remove the SD Menu system from the Premieres.
     
  12. moose53

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    This whole update is "weird". I woke up at 2AM this morning and I had the 'old' Netflix interface back. I woke up again at 6AM and I had the 'new' Netflix interface again.

    I kept going back and forth between 'old' and 'new' Youtube, too. It hasn't happened for a week or two.

    I worked on senior level helpdesks for over 13 years before I retired. Every time they rolled out software updates while people were using it, it failed. This seems very familiar.

    Oh, I don't use the HD menus. There's too much busy stuff going on and I can't see the text on the screen. I hope they don't get rid of the SD .. I'll be sitting 6 inches from my television with a magnifying glass :D
     
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    Jed1

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    I reduced the number of black screen issues by setting the HDMI video format to YCbCr444 on my two Pioneer Kuros, as this is the native output of the TiVos. I forgot I had this set to auto as the Pace RNG 200 outputted RGB video.
    I only get the black screen problem once in a while now instead of all the time. I still have all the output resolutions checked as setting it to 1080i did not eliminate the issue and I had a decline in video quality on the 720p and 480i/p channels.
     
  14. Feb 2, 2014 #114 of 146
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    Setting to 1080i/p on my Premiere XL has worked for me.
    No problems related to this for the past few weeks.
    I still think a fix is important in the next Tivo Software Update.
     
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    On a different topic, my WiFi C133 error messages have gone away since adding an Apple Airport Express set up as a range extender in my system.
    No more C133 problems for the past 3-4 days.

    I think Tivo can fix this with some sort of timeout filter in the next software update.

    Thanks!
     
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    Jed1

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    Setting the resolution 1080i/p reduced the problem but I did have the black menu bug occur. Fixing the HDMI resolution setting on my Kuro reduced the black menu problem but it does occur from time to time.

    I agree that this has to be fixed in a future firmware update. The best way for TiVo to fix this is to make the entire menu system in HD as there is still portions of the menu in SD and this is what trips the black menu bug from time to time.
     
  17. Feb 9, 2014 #117 of 146
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    I don't know if Marget continues reading the updates threads down the line, or if this is a good place to mention this, or if anybody even cares, but ...

    My biggest wish for a future (soon w/b good, like tomorrow. heh) update would be allowing the ability to change a channel number on a Season Pass.

    Once again, we are coming up on a huge channel number change with Charter in my market (on Feb 18th). I remember when this occurred a couple of years ago and it was truly a nightmare for many of my well over 200 Season Passes between two Premieres.

    When channel numbers change, there is no way to update a Season Pass and it was such a drag. For the shows that were currently airing, I had to delete old season passes and start new ones. But for the shows on hiatus I had to make a list and watch for them because there was no way to just change the channel number or re-do an existing one since there were no airings to choose for creating a new season pass.

    This, to me anyway (and admittedly I know squat), sure seems like it would be a very simple thing to plug into the Season Pass options. I am dreading these changes coming up, although we will have a lot of new channels and that is a good thing. But, if it goes like last time, my Tivos won't be able to continue season passes properly for the ones that are on different numbers after the change.

    My biggest hope is that Tribune Media actually does the changes at the time they occur. Last time, it also did the changes like a month early and that wreaked havoc because (for example) Tivo no longer thought that Showtime was on the number 525 so there was no way to even create a recording, since that channel number didn't exist for them - and on it went for scores of other channels that were getting brand new numbers. The good thing was that Tivo was able to get that fixed and things went back to normal until the actual time of the number changes.

    Anyway, to the Tivo genies, this is my one big wish. :)
     
  18. Feb 9, 2014 #118 of 146
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    I think Tivo automatically fixes the channel numbers on season passes.

    You might want to email margret about this.
     
  19. Feb 9, 2014 #119 of 146
    pmiranda

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    TiVo definitely automatically tries to follow channel number changes. Assuming the channel name remains the same of course. It helps to not have duplicates in your channels.
     
  20. Feb 9, 2014 #120 of 146
    sharkster

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    Thanks to you both for the advice! This was so frustrating last time. I'm going to see if things automatically adjust through to the Season Passes and go from there, I guess. Looks like a bunch of them will sort of change names. For example, HBOHDP (HBO HD Pacific) will change to HBO HD West, etc, throughout all the premium channels. Lot of that. Looks like most of the non-premium channels might just work out (yay!).

    Last time I think it was most problematic because of the premium channels. I ended up having to do what I mentioned above with some 80+ shows. It was a PITA and frustrating, to say the least.

    I'll have to find the info for Marget. I didn't know I could email her. Nice! :) She always seems helpful and nice.
     

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