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20.3.1 Update Available

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by CoxInPHX, May 15, 2013.

  1. Jun 1, 2013 #441 of 941
    ufo4sale

    ufo4sale Active Member

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    To be honest I asked if there was a list of changes and people responded to that not to long ago. I asked in a different way but people still responded positively. Take it as it is.
     
  2. Jun 1, 2013 #442 of 941
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Since this is On-Topic, as at least some regard, I'll post a bit (and it's more of a blanket-post, than anything directed at any one, or two, people):

    #1: TiVo has been among the leading 1% (just an educated guess), of consumer electronics manufacturers, who have a long history of never officially releasing any "changelogs", to say what their software updates do, are for, fix, add, take away, try to fix, or so on...

    #2: There have been some TiVo insiders that have passed-along, some info on what are supposedly in the updates, from time to time, but not all of the time, and not always via the same means.

    #3: TiVo broke this pattern by giving on-screen notifications that an update has been installed and listed new features (or cleverly made bug-fixes appear as a gift to us). This happened, if I recall correctly, on the last two updates, prior to this one, BUT NOT THIS ONE.

    #4: The inside source that many have been using to get the information from has been reported to have said a few things about the update. See the post from lpwcomp, with the links, after this was posted.

    #5: Numbers 1-4, and TiVo's history of secrecy (unless they're making a PR move by announcing new features/capabilities/greater compatibility, like as if they are a gift to us), makes threads like this INVALUABLE.

    I'd be surprised if *somebody* from TiVo doesn't look in these update-oriented threads, in lurk mode, only trolling for info that they may be able to use. Maybe it's just hopeful/wishing thinking.

    The MOST important thing is once the community has established a pattern of problems introduced by an update, or than have not been fixed by an update, the information GETS passed along to TiVo by EVERYBODY affected. If 10,000 people post here, but only 10 report issues to TiVo, how can we expect them to fix things?

    For those that don't know, have forgotten, or are just to lazy to read this whole thread: Don't forget the TCF (here) is a PRIVATELY operated, advertising-funded, forum, and that TiVo (The actual company) has their OWN forums, where there is no speculation or debate over whether actual TiVo representative are, at minimum, ACTIVELY monitoring the posts in their own forums. They do sometimes interact, as well.

    I hope that all comes across in the HELPFUL way I intended. I don't want to be stuck with this botched update until the fall, and am hoping this information (in this thread, and what's reported to TiVo) can lead to an interim patch update before then...
     
  3. Jun 2, 2013 #443 of 941
    moose53

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    How I "Operate" is I search the forums to see if my problem has already been reported/solved... If not, I post.

    Get a life.
     
  4. Jun 2, 2013 #444 of 941
    lpwcomp

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    TiVoMargret's posts here and here were far more than some "TiVo insider" letting something slip.
     
  5. Jun 2, 2013 #445 of 941
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    I stand corrected on that, and updated the post.
     
  6. Jun 2, 2013 #446 of 941
    CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    Just an observation: It seems there are a significant number of regulars who are not posting in this thread.

    Could it be they are still in the Field Trials Beta group, If that is the case I would expect to see another update to the priority list within 2 weeks, 20.3.1.1 maybe???
     
  7. Jun 2, 2013 #447 of 941
    jrtroo

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    Sounds logical. Tivo has had several occasions where the initial "opt-in" list triggered a fix-it update prior to a full roll out.
     
  8. Jun 2, 2013 #448 of 941
    crxssi

    crxssi Veteran TiVo User

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    I think a significant number of people are just not having any issues.
     
  9. Jun 2, 2013 #449 of 941
    Darkev

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    My thoughts are that testing is failing at TiVo. After the update, most of the bugs everyone is reporting were discovered very quickly. I discovered most of these bugs within an hour of getting the update. The first one I discovered was the antenna signal not working. Considering how quickly the bugs were discovered by most of us, I'm questioning how much testing is done at TiVo before they release a new version? What do they do? Just boot it up and if they see a show on LiveTV that means it all works? They should be going through each and every single menu option and trying out every feature. They can't be doing this since bugs are often released with the updates. It's sloppy in my opinion and should not be happening. Very disappointed.
     
  10. Jun 2, 2013 #450 of 941
    compnurd

    compnurd New Member

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    It depends on how you look at it. I have 2 Regular Premieres and 1 4 Tuner and have noticed nothing different with this update. Like I Said earlier.. had I not signed up for the update and this was just pushed to me.. I would have no clue
     
  11. Jun 2, 2013 #451 of 941
    chiguy50

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    Still no updates on my end, and that's a record time-lag for me on a priority update.
     
  12. Jun 2, 2013 #452 of 941
    slowbiscuit

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    I've got two more bugs that were not fixed that you can add to the OP:

    - stop and delete a current recording in an ARWL with one recording does not actually delete the group (even though the prompt says it will), you still have to delete it separately.

    - while watching a current recording, if you go into the guide and try to schedule a new recording with options or modify any other scheduled recording (changing pad times etc. in the options screen), when you get done you're kicked out of the recording and back into live TV for that channel. This also happens when watching completed recordings but you get sent to the last active channel.

    Both of these bugs have been in the HDUI for a while now and should have been fixed long ago. The second one in particular can cause a lot of pain if you're watching sports delayed because you'll get thrown into live TV (possibly spoiling the result) when done. Both of them are easy to work around but are stupid and needless bugs that indicate a lack of thorough testing.
     
  13. Jun 2, 2013 #453 of 941
    Bierboy

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    A quick search would have saved him "all the work".....sheesh....
     
  14. Jun 2, 2013 #454 of 941
    Bierboy

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    No thanks....if you want info, spend time searching and reading for it. Don't be so freakin' lazy...
     
  15. Jun 2, 2013 #455 of 941
    JoeKustra

    JoeKustra Cable only

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    her
     
  16. Jun 2, 2013 #456 of 941
    lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Active Member

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    Not seeing and never have seen this problem. This is on a 2-tuner Premiere.

    Edit: The only time I see anything similar to this is if I am streaming something from another Premiere. In that case, as soon as I select a program from the guide, I am "thrown to" live TV on the local TiVo with whatever is on the active tuner on the local TiVo appearing in the video window.
     
  17. Jun 2, 2013 #457 of 941
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    One the first part: I've noticed that too. I chalked it up to maybe these "regulars" have either given up on this forum, or are engaged in reporting the issues by a means they feel will yield better results (like spending the time talking to TiVo, rather than posting here).

    On the second part: That sounds like a reasonable theory.

    Imagine this hypothetical situation: Suppose you were a former member of a Beta test, or Field Trial, team, consisting of a whopping ten people. Suppose you were directed to ONLY test/try at most five issues (with the focus on ONLY one issue). Suppose you find a new problem, which makes all your TiVos virtually unusable, and report it, but are largely ignored, until you get very assertive. Suppose that you are then told that you are part of a multi-group testing system, but can't share data between them, and are told that others aren't reporting it. Suppose you are told that the problem was reproduced by a TiVo employee (thus saving you having to ship one or more of your own units in for analysis). Then, suppose you hear that upper management wants the updated rolled, on a deadline, regardless. Then suppose you are told, after being more assertive, that the problem only affects a small number, compared to the whole. Then suppose you see the update roll, introducing an issue that is never fully resolved. Now, how do you suppose you'd feel about ever participating again?
     
  18. Jun 2, 2013 #458 of 941
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    See the post I contributed right before this one, in reply to CoxInPHX. Check out the "hypothetical" situation I spoke of at the end of that post.
     
  19. Jun 2, 2013 #459 of 941
    lpwcomp

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    IMHO, the problem with the theory that they are ignoring problems encountered during beta test is that most of the problems with releases over the last few years should have been caught during unit or integration testing. Some of them, such as the DST problem ,where the time was displayed differently on different screens, should never have occurred at all in a properly designed system.

    My personal theory is that they have "off shored" a lot of the s/w development. You get what you pay for.
     
  20. Jun 2, 2013 #460 of 941
    nooneuknow

    nooneuknow TiVo User Since 2007

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    Agreed.
     

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