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2-Tuner Support Not on the Roadmap

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by sbiller, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Mar 13, 2013 #61 of 171
    innocentfreak

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    You mentioned the Xbox could do other things like Netflix which requires Xbox Live. Even though you pay Netflix Xbox charges you a subscription free to access content you can watch for free on other devices. Media Center is the only thing that doesn't require Xbox Live Gold, but it does require Silver because a banned Xbox won't work as a Media Center extender.
     
  2. Mar 13, 2013 #62 of 171
    Dan203

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    There are really only two retail devices in existence that compete directly with the Mini in that they can stream encrypted content from a host DVR to another TV in the house. The Ceton Echo and the XBox 360. The Ceton Echo is $180 and the lowest tier XBox is $200. So TiVo's price of $250 isn't really that far out of the ball park. And the fact that they offer a $100 + $6/mo option creates a lower cost entry point for new customers then the other two options.

    I'm not saying I wouldn't want the price to be lower, but it's not as outlandish as people are making it out to be.

    Edit: And as for the Stream... I think the only reason they didn't charge a service fee for it is because they have plans to build that functionality into the next generation TiVos and they didn't want to have a discrepancy in how the two devices were handled.
     
  3. Mar 13, 2013 #63 of 171
    button1066

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    The Mini is almost 40% more expensive than the Ceton Echo and it's not like the Ceton Echo is driving sales of other 'flagship' products for them. If anything this just shows how 'out there' Tivo is with the Mini.

    Another thread on here was saying that there is an estimate of only 50,000 four tuner Tivos and I'm not even sure if that is total sold or total in operation. They've cut the potential market for the Mini to the bone and then priced it with a "let's see what sticks to the wall" approach.

    Are Tivo playing an early April fool's joke on us?
     
  4. Mar 13, 2013 #64 of 171
    compnurd

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    i think the pricing is dead on
     
  5. Mar 13, 2013 #65 of 171
    button1066

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    That's true. No free lunches. The Xbox does play more advanced games than skulls and bones or whatever it is called though.
     
  6. Mar 13, 2013 #66 of 171
    magnus

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    I think all remains to be seen.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2013 #67 of 171
    button1066

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    Why, because TiVo is a high end product and needs high end prices to keep the riff raff out?

    Serious question...

    (I bet you things change with either the pricing or functionality in the coming months).
     
  8. Mar 13, 2013 #68 of 171
    innocentfreak

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    The Echo is all about driving Ceton's tuners and at one point the Ceton Q. Listen to this weeks Engadget HD podcast. Ben who is a Media Center user discusses the price difference. Take the Ceton Echo add a functional remote, $30, and add MoCa, $50, and you have the Mini at $250.

    As people have also said first this was developed for the cable companies originally. Second some of us believe this is in anticipation for the new TiVo units due at the end of the year which we are guessing will come with a minimal of 4 tuners allowing the Mini to work with all their new boxes. This means in less than a year potentially the Mini will work with every new TiVo sold. With the current Premiere platform going on 3 years I would say a good portion are ready to upgrade.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2013 #69 of 171
    button1066

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    This has made things a lot clearer. I didn't even realize Ceton sold tuners by the way (I'd never heard of them).

    I'm starting to get how things fit together. I have premieres that are only a little over a year old so definitely won't be upgrading but it looks like the future of TiVo is starting to take shape.
     
  10. Mar 13, 2013 #70 of 171
    innocentfreak

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    Yeah Ceton was one of the first companies to come out with multi-CableCARD tuners for Media Center. Originally ATI only made a signal tuner. Ceton's first card was the InfiniTV4, a 4 tuner PCI card for Windows 7. They developed the Mini because the 360 is the only extender still made. The previous extenders were $200-$300 and discontinued before multicard tuners were available. Of course when the Echo came out a lot of Media Center people complained it should be $99.
     
  11. Mar 13, 2013 #71 of 171
    Dan203

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    The Kindle Fire HD is only $200 yet an iPad mini is $320. They're essentially the same device so why is the iPad more? Because it's a premium brand people are willing to pay more for.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2013 #72 of 171
    AbMagFab

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    Or go with HD Home Run/Home Run Primes, and use something like MythTV and/or XBMC.
     
  13. Mar 13, 2013 #73 of 171
    magnus

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    I'd get a Nexus 7 instead. Not real impressed with the Fire and the iPad mini is overpriced. For the same money, you get a Android that will get regular updates and works well with the play store.

    However, in my opinion, the iPad has a better OS and a better store. But the price difference compels you to look at the other options.
     
  14. Mar 13, 2013 #74 of 171
    Dan203

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    My point was that it's not that unusual for two devices with the same basic functionality to have vastly different prices.
     
  15. Mar 13, 2013 #75 of 171
    magnus

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    Yep and if Tivo had competition in the OTA space then they might not dismiss it so easily.
     
  16. Mar 13, 2013 #76 of 171
    Dan203

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    That's part of the reason they can get away with this pricing. They have very little competition. The HTPC/Ceton combo is alright, but too much of a hassle to setup and maintain for the average Joe. Their only real competition is from the MSOs themselves and they only rent equipment, for relatively high fees, with no option to buy or pay for "lifetime" service up front. When compared to their actual competition the pricing isn't that far out of line.
     
  17. Mar 13, 2013 #77 of 171
    Bigg

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    Yup. After having had MCE for a while, I have realized that it is for enthusiasts only. Even as a computer enthusiast, I just want something that works for my TV. The Mini is fundamentally a sub-$100 box, but given the market, TiVo is able to charge a huge premium for it, and part of that is their software. Part of it also may also be to protect the MSOs' ability to charge $10/mo for it.
     
  18. Mar 13, 2013 #78 of 171
    sbiller

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    The one MSO deploying the Mini (Suddenlink) is charging $6 to $7 for it depending on package.

    http://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2013/02/suddenlink-pushes-tivo-mini-into-100-communities
     
  19. Mar 14, 2013 #79 of 171
    Dan203

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    Can you use a retail Mini with a suddenlink Premiere Q DVR?
     
  20. Mar 14, 2013 #80 of 171
    atmuscarella

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    It appears that way from some info on the TiVo web site. Sorry do not have time to find the links again.
     

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