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2-Tuner Support Not on the Roadmap

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by sbiller, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Mar 13, 2013 #41 of 171
    timon0x31

    timon0x31 New Member

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    TiVo is really ticking me, and I'm sure many others, with these constant marketing screw ups.

    First they come of with the Premere 4 that won't work over the air. They tell you it's because there is no tuner that will support more than two over the air streams. That's one big fat lie TiVo and they know it. Getting 4 atsc/qam tuners runner is not a problem. TiVo is just bowing to the cable companies to screw the Free TV folks.

    There is no reason that TiVo could not have released the Mini to work as a streaming only device with a two channel Premere. Either Marketing is forcing Engineering to not release it just to sell more 4 tuner cable versions or TiVo's Engineers are some of the dumbest around. Again I'm betting it's totally a Markettng decision and I hope that they get totally screwed because of it.

    Sometimes I wish that Apply would by TiVo, with some of their 137 billion, for the patents and fire all of the execs and release a good system.

    IMHO, if you don't agree that fine. Flames not needed just state your own opinion.
     
  2. Mar 13, 2013 #42 of 171
    magnus

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    I agree 100%. I used to really love Tivo and was probably considered a fanboy on here but they are saying and doing things that just don't make sense. I hope these features will be coming to the Mini but I'm skipping this product unless they do.
     
  3. Mar 13, 2013 #43 of 171
    Loach

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    My own opinion is that certain minimum typing and spelling skills should be required for posting on forums.
     
  4. Mar 13, 2013 #44 of 171
    magnus

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    Seriously?! You can't just comment on the content? Instead you feel the need to put the person down. Wow.
     
  5. Mar 13, 2013 #45 of 171
    NotNowChief

    NotNowChief Addicted to TiVo

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    Please, anybody but Apple. I don't care if it's the Keebler elves, just not Apple. I would rather eat a bowl of rusty screws drenched in battery acid than put my hands on one of those cult iCrap devices.
     
  6. Mar 13, 2013 #46 of 171
    atmuscarella

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    It may not make sense to you because you want something TiVo is currently unwilling to give you. But I am guessing it makes perfect sense to TiVo and without knowing all the technical issues or what their marketing data has shown them we have no way of knowing how reasonable or unreasonable the decision was.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2013 #47 of 171
    timon0x31

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    Your statement was not really necessary but comon when someone has nothing to say but still wants to comment. Try being more civil.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2013 #48 of 171
    Davisadm

    Davisadm TiVo is awesome!!!!!

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    There was a rumor about Apple buying TiVo a few years ago. IMO, that would have been a win-win situation. It would have given TiVo a great direction, and Apple could have integrated TiVo in their Apple TV box and in the upcoming Apple Television.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2013 #49 of 171
    Loach

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    I'd be more inclined to comment on the content if the writer had made an effort to compose a post that didn't make my eyes bleed.
     
  10. Mar 13, 2013 #50 of 171
    atmuscarella

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    OK, my opinion is you don't appear to know jack about technical issues and even less about how capitalism works.

    First I know of no 4 tuner OTA devices so what TiVo would have or will have to do to develop one is unknown. What is certain is it would have added to the cost of the 4 tuner Premieres and likely delayed their release.

    Second you (or I) have no idea what technical issues there maybe to have a Mini use a dual tuner Premiere as the host DVR.

    Third any company that wants to stay in business had better use marketing data to target what products will be profitable to develop. Not doing so assures they will be bankrupt and out of business.
     
  11. Mar 13, 2013 #51 of 171
    mr_smits

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    I feel like Tivo has a list of items that is making their ecosystem confusing and very un-Tivo like. The 2-tuner limit for the Mini is one. The wifi works in certain circumstances (for guide data and MRV) but not in other is another. The moca (new to many people) option. The ethernet option. The Stream to only Apple products is another. The crappy implementation of the Stream is another. The lack of Netflix on the Mini is another. The legacy MRV feature. The difference between Streaming from Netflix, streaming from the other Tivo in the other room, streaming from a Mini, and streaming from the Stream to Apple products.

    I'm hopeful this fall will resolve most of the limitations and begin to simplify Tivo again. TV shouldn't be this hard or confusing. That is what Tivo has always been about, yet here we are.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2013 #52 of 171
    magnus

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    I think Tivo should comment on those technical issues that prevent a 2 tuner Premiere from being a host DVR for the Mini. I've asked Margaret several times but no answer yet. If there were a real technical reason why it wouldn't work then let's have it already. Otherwise, we're just being fanboys and stating that Tivo had their reasons.
     
  13. Mar 13, 2013 #53 of 171
    rainwater

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    I tend to think the next generation of TiVo's will not be less than 4 tuners anyways. So, at that point the Mini will support any TiVo currently being sold.
     
  14. Mar 13, 2013 #54 of 171
    atmuscarella

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    I agree it certainly feels like we are in a transition phase. I wonder if the current Premieres aren't actually legacy equipment already. TiVo has made a clear break from Series 1, 2, & 3 equipment but I don't really think we will have made the full transition until the next round of DVRs are released.
     
  15. Mar 13, 2013 #55 of 171
    atmuscarella

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    Given that I am OTA only, have an Android tablet, have 2 Series 3 TiVos along with a Premiere it would be a stretch to be a fanboy of TiVos whole home DVR system as I can not use any of it (Premiere 4, Stream, or Mini).

    I agree it would be nice to know more even if they sent it through back channels to the mods here. But the reality is regardless if it is technical or based on marketing data really does not matter.
     
  16. Mar 13, 2013 #56 of 171
    button1066

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    I used to use an Xbox 360 to extend TV from a Windows Media Center PC. It worked fine with 2 OTA tuners. The Xbox also only cost $200 and could play games, access Netflix and all kinds of other things. $250 for the TiVo Mini seems laughable in comparison.

    So laughable in fact that I don't doubt there will plenty of returned Minis on sale on tivo.com in a couple of month's time. Maybe someone will find a way to hack them and make them more usable.
     
  17. Mar 13, 2013 #57 of 171
    innocentfreak

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    I have said it multiple times, but this is my belief also.

    I think TiVo has begun to fully embrace the whole home experience especially as all the MSOs move to that. The only reason I can see TiVo not doing it is because they were unable to find a cheap way to integrate 4 OTA tuners.

    I think we will only see 4 and 6 tuners in the next models which I would guess by Christmas. We still haven't seen any movement on the FCC waiver request to drop analog which at minimum would push them to the summer.

    While I could see room for a cheap 2 tuner model, it would probably depend on what the cable partners are asking for. If none of them want 2 tuner models, they could probably bring their cost down low enough that even the 4 tuner is a cheap entry point.
     
  18. Mar 13, 2013 #58 of 171
    innocentfreak

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    Don't forget the yearly Xbox live sub for $39.99 on sale which puts you at $270 by the second year. They also sell them for a loss and recoup on their licensing cost which is something TiVo can't do.
     
  19. Mar 13, 2013 #59 of 171
    Dan203

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    The incentive to use Wifi is less for the 4 tuner units because they have built in MoCa. TiVo has even priced the MoCa bridge lower ($50) then their wireless N adapter ($90) creating more incentive to use MoCa over Wifi.

    I really think TiVo is attempting to phase out Wifi in favor of MoCa. There may actually come a day when they decide that Wifi is no longer a supported configuation. Of course people cand still use bridges, but if it doesn't work TiVo can just say "sorry, wifi is not supported".

    Honestly I think the Mini is targeted more towards the next generation TiVo then the current ones. I'm betting the next gen TiVos have a minimum of 3 tuners, built in MoCa and will all support the Mini.
     
  20. Mar 13, 2013 #60 of 171
    button1066

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    I didn't bother with Xbox Live and it still worked ok. In fact I set up my Xbox up to reboot direct to Windows Media Center. I think the Xbox was actually less than $200 and might have been $170 (it was one of the ones without a hard drive).

    I'm not aware of any other network streaming device than a TiVo Mini that relies on a service fee to move my own data across my own home network and yet there are plenty of streaming devices about that cost less than $250. Much less than $250 let's face it. Even the Stream costs half of what a Mini costs and yet has more functionality! And it works with two tuner Premieres - maybe it has advanced technology that couldn't be incorporated into the Mini.

    As much as I like my Premiere's I just can't get into the Mini. It's borderline bizarre how TiVo are trying to market it. Hopefully the idea is a plan B type relaunch in the future.
     

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