TiVo is really ticking me, and I'm sure many others, with these constant marketing screw ups. First they come of with the Premere 4 that won't work over the air. They tell you it's because there is no tuner that will support more than two over the air streams. That's one big fat lie TiVo and they know it. Getting 4 atsc/qam tuners runner is not a problem. TiVo is just bowing to the cable companies to screw the Free TV folks. There is no reason that TiVo could not have released the Mini to work as a streaming only device with a two channel Premere. Either Marketing is forcing Engineering to not release it just to sell more 4 tuner cable versions or TiVo's Engineers are some of the dumbest around. Again I'm betting it's totally a Markettng decision and I hope that they get totally screwed because of it. Sometimes I wish that Apply would by TiVo, with some of their 137 billion, for the patents and fire all of the execs and release a good system. IMHO, if you don't agree that fine. Flames not needed just state your own opinion.