I have a 5 year old Series 2 that I have hooked to a SD Directv box. I would have done the same with the premiere but it wasn't compatible. I take it that nothing has changed with the Romio?
Or, if something like AllVid became reality.Correct, and it likely never will.
They would need to add HDMI capture or analog capture to record from component.
I wish. Unfortunately I think they've successfully lobbied that idea out of existence.Or, if something like AllVid became reality.
I don't agree. The THR22 provides HR10 functionality with a (very) few extras. It works just fine for that. If you were expecting parity with 2012 TiVos, then I could understand your disappointment, but that was never promised.The THR-22 is a complete joke.
The problem is, the market has evolved a LOT from the time of the HR10-250. You just can't ignore the Genie and it's thin clients and whole-home functionality when looking at the THR-22. The THR-22 is utterly useless, as you may as well just get the Genie and clients, which do everything the THR-22 does and WAY more. The THR-22 is a complete joke, and DirecTV knows it. No one in their right mind would actually get that POS when they could have a Genie.I don't agree. The THR22 provides HR10 functionality with a (very) few extras. It works just fine for that. If you were expecting parity with 2012 TiVos, then I could understand your disappointment, but that was never promised.The THR-22 is a complete joke.
Even if you only have one TV (highly unusual situation), the Genie is still a far better box in every way. Why have two tuners when you can have 5? Simply said, the THR-22 is an absolute piece of garbage, and anyone who gets one is nuts. It has no use case. DirecTV has made the path forward clear. If you don't like it, switch to cable or OTA.My wife would disagree with you. The THR22 does everything she wants. Not everyone cares about multiple TVs, On Demand and apps.
I'm just saying it like it is. A POS product is a POS product, no matter how you look at it.stevel's wife is happy with the THR. Why do you think it is your job to convince her otherwise using insults?
Sorry, I forgot it is OK to express your personal opinions as crude insults.I'm just saying it like it is. A POS product is a POS product, no matter how you look at it.
No matter how you rack up the comparison, the THR-22 is going to LOSE and LOSE BIG to either the DirecTV Genie or the 4- and 6-tuner CableCard TiVos, and their respective client boxes. Time has passed that limited set of functionality by. That's not my opinion, that's what the facts say. There is no benefit to the THR-22. The Genie does everything it does, plus tons more. Like, oh, working in a household with more than one TV, like most American households. Or having 5 tuners. Which could be useful even if you only have one TV. And having DirecTV On Demand.Sorry, I forgot it is OK to express your personal opinions as crude insults.
Who cares? If someone is happy, they can be happy. It has zero impact on you or anyone else.No matter how you rack up the comparison, the THR-22 is going to LOSE and LOSE BIG to either the DirecTV Genie or the 4- and 6-tuner CableCard TiVos, and their respective client boxes. Time has passed that limited set of functionality by. That's not my opinion, that's what the facts say. There is no benefit to the THR-22. The Genie does everything it does, plus tons more. Like, oh, working in a household with more than one TV, like most American households. Or having 5 tuners. Which could be useful even if you only have one TV. And having DirecTV On Demand.
The S3's have multi-room capability (excepting HBO or just about anything on TWC). Also, it's one thing if you already own an S3 that's a few years old, it's lifetimed, and you keep it. It's a whole different thing to pay top dollar for an outdated, crippled piece of sh*t when you can get the far superior DirecTV DVR for the same price.From what I've seen the THR-22 is basically like a S3 for DirecTV. I still know a LOT of people who are happily using S3 units. Not everyone needs all the whizbang whole house streaming features of the more modern DVRs.
People were happily using S3 units because the S4 was that bad. However, Roamio Plus and Pro would be the peer to Genie.From what I've seen the THR-22 is basically like a S3 for DirecTV. I still know a LOT of people who are happily using S3 units. Not everyone needs all the whizbang whole house streaming features of the more modern DVRs.
It wasn't. Those people were objectively wrong. Their issue was with the HDUI, which could simply be turned off -- leaving them with a unit functionally equivalent to an S3, but much faster.People were happily using S3 units because the S4 was that bad.
I agree. The biggest problems with the Premiere were releasing it with the HDUI and the way TiVo marketed it.It wasn't. Those people were objectively wrong. Their issue was with the HDUI, which could simply be turned off -- leaving them with a unit functionally equivalent to an S3, but much faster.
Quite true. I wish D* would just release a 6-tuner Ethernet-based tuner and give TiVo the API for it (i.e. AllVid but not a true standard). But there obviously isn't enough of a market to capture there for DirecTV to develop a product like that, especially given how good the Genie is. Even if DirecTV wanted to develop a true DirecTiVo (i.e. something that's fully cross-compatible with the HR-series but using the TiVo interface), it probably wouldn't be worth the effort for the relatively few subs who leave to cable/ don't come to DirecTV in the first place because of TiVo. The HR10-250 crowd has long since moved to DirecTV DVRs or cable.AllVid is never coming to pass. It's amazing how quickly the steam was knocked out of that idea.
However, I agree totally with the criticisms of the THR-22. It is a diminished S3 product introduced AFTER the S4 hit the shelves, and the THR-22 is further diminished because it lacks many of the GREAT features including MRV found in retail S3's and OTT options just to name a few. Let's not not become jingoistic just because we may be TiVo fanboys. The THR-22 is only appealing to the most ardent TiVo enthusiasts who simply must have the little TiVo critter and nothing else, and I think the harsh criticism from some is that TiVo enthusiasts deserved better from DirecTV.
Which brings us to the point that it was all DirecTV's doing, NOT TiVo's. The agreement between TiVo and DirecTV was at a time when TiVo was most desperate and exceedingly desperate to get TiVo as part of MSO offerings (TiVo was not in the great financial shape it is today and it seemed the ship was sinking, hence the lawsuits), and TiVo had just filed suit against Echostar (Since split into Dish Corp and Echostar Corp) the company providing the then branded Dish Network service who at the time had by far the most DVR's in homes (that was the REAL reason Echostar was the first in a long line of MVPD's to be sued. Further Tom Rogers stated clearly that any MVPD who was not interested in developing a TiVo product was going to be sued for patent infringment. BTW, Ergen and Rogers are still freinds).
TiVo approached DirecTV, as they did EVERYONE else, but DirecTV would only agree to a TiVo product if TiVo put in the contract that TiVo would NOT sue DirecTV for patent infringement. TiVo agreed and that was the beginning of DirecTV jerking TiVo around for a very long time. Mike White even poo-pooed the then coming DircTiVo product in the quarterly conference calls saying the current DirecTV boxes do the same things and coming products would do more than the TiVo and have greater value and . . . This is how one talks about their partner?
DirecTV slowed it all down for as long as they could without causing TiVo to sue for breach of contract, but TiVo wouldn't DARE sue for breach of contract (it had already agreed NOT to sue for patent infringements) because DirecTV was the ONLY MVPD at that time who was co-developing a TiVo product. TiVo had already invested, one could say emotionally, in the THR-22 and couldn't bear to just give up and sue DirecTV for breach (an expensive and lengthy process with no return for years, and TiVo needed money even more as the huge cost of suing Echostar was draining their cash and caused losses instead of profits for some quarters) when TiVo could see the light at the end of the DirecTV tunnel for years and repeated delays of launch, as if Mike White were dangling it in front of Tom Rogers.
Nope, DirecTV is done with TiVo, and TiVo can't sue DirecTV for patent infringement, so it's over. We're saying that it would have been sweet and a far more compelling product if the THR-22 had been based on the S4 (which it could have been) as the DircTiVo swan song.