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Jets Dump Tebo

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Tivo spokesjock Tim Tebow has been dumped by the New York Jets. No more genuflecting on the sideline. The Jets drafted another quarterback and immediately put Tebow on waivers. So far, no other team is expressing interest. How long will the Tebow-Tivo gig last?
 
#27 ·
Yep, all of them are bigots! Anyone who thinks that two consenting adults do not have the right to get married because of their sexuality is no different then the people who opposed interracial marriage in the 60s.
Although I disagree with your view, you are entitled to it. I presume you are also OK with 3 consenting adults getting married? I mean, if 3 consenting adults really love each other, why shouldn't they be able to get married? Wouldn't you agree that 2 is just an arbitrary number?

Interracial couples can produce children, by the way. Gay couples cannot. Every child has 1 mother and 1 father. That is a biological certainty.
 
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#29 ·
Although I disagree with your view, you are entitled to it. I presume you are also OK with 3 consenting adults getting married? I mean, if 3 consenting adults really love each other, why shouldn't they be able to get married? Wouldn't you agree that 2 is just an arbitrary number?
I don't personally care about plural marriage, but it would be a problem from a tax/legal perspective so I can understand why there is a 2 person limit.

Interracial couples can produce children, by the way. Gay couples cannot. Every child has 1 mother and 1 father. That is a biological certainty.
Why does marriage have anything to do with children? There are straight couples who get married late in life, well after they are capable of having children, and that's OK. My wife and I got married and we have no intention of ever having children, and that was OK. There are couples that get married knowing full well that one or the other is infertile and that's OK. There are also millions of children born to couples who are not married, some who barely even know one another, and that's OK. Having children and getting married are two completely separate things, neither requiring the other to be valid.

Marriage is a contract that provides the two people involved certain tax/legal benefits. From that perspective there is absolutely no difference between a man/woman couple and a same sex couple. Any two consenting adults should be allowed to get married and afforded all the benefits that marriage provides.

People who oppose same sex marriage do so either because of religious beliefs or because they think it's icky. Either way it's bigotry!
 
#30 ·
Why does marriage have anything to do with children? There are straight couples who get married late in life, well after they are capable of having children, and that's OK. My wife and I got married and we have no intention of ever having children, and that was OK. There are couples that get married knowing full well that one or the other is infertile and that's OK. There are also millions of children born to couples who are not married, some who barely even know one another, and that's OK. Having children and getting married are two completely separate things, neither requiring the other to be valid.

Marriage is a contract that provides the two people involved certain tax/legal benefits. From that perspective there is absolutely no difference between a man/woman couple and a same sex couple. Any two consenting adults should be allowed to get married and afforded all the benefits that marriage provides.

People who oppose same sex marriage do so either because of religious beliefs or because they think it's icky. Either way it's bigotry!
We'll have to disagree that millions of children born outside of marriage is "OK". Studies have shown that children of married couples have generally better outcomes in many different areas, including poverty and substance abuse. The state's interest in promoting marriage is for the benefit of children.

So gay people who oppose gay marriage are bigots too? Bigoted against themselves presumably?
 
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We'll have to disagree that millions of children born outside of marriage is "OK". Studies have shown that children of married couples have generally better outcomes in many different areas, including poverty and substance abuse.
I'm not saying it always turns out OK for the child, but in the eyes of the law it's OK.

So gay people who oppose gay marriage are bigots too? Bigoted against themselves presumably?
Yep, if such a person exists then he/she is also be a bigot. There is no logical reason to oppose gay marriage. Only religious/hate related reasons.

Marriage is a legal contract, nothing more. Any two consenting adults should be able to enter into that contract and be afforded all the benefits that come along with it. Limiting it to two people of the opposite sex is simply unfair.
 
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I'm not saying it always turns out OK for the child, but in the eyes of the law it's OK.

Yep, if such a person exists then he/she is also be a bigot. There is no logical reason to oppose gay marriage. Only religious/hate related reasons.

Marriage is a legal contract, nothing more. Any two consenting adults should be able to enter into that contract and be afforded all the benefits that come along with it. Limiting it to two people of the opposite sex is simply unfair.
The logical reason for opposition is that the rights of children should trump the right to children. And children do best with a mother and father.

Anyway, my involvement in this thread was not really intended to ignite a debate about gay marriage, but rather to flush out the true rationale of the Tebow-haters. I think I've accomplished that. People hate Tebow because he holds Christian religious views. Hatred of Christianity is at the root of Tebow-hatred.
 
#34 ·
And children do best with a mother and father.
That refrain loses more and more credibility over time. The people in the media it's loaned from either don't cite sources, or they've twisted studies to make a false comparison. While actual studies like ACHESS show no substantive difference among children raised by loving parents who are genuinely happy to have them, regardless of who the parents are.

Studies have shown that children of married couples have generally better outcomes in many different areas, including poverty and substance abuse.
Sounds like a good case to support more couples getting married. :p :up:
 
#35 ·
The logical reason for opposition is that the rights of children should trump the right to children. And children do best with a mother and father.
Again what do children have to do with marriage? Plenty of hetrosexual couples get married, and reap all the benefits that entails, with no intention of having children. And plenty of homosexual couples that are not married either have or adopt children. The ONLY thing marriage does is provide certain tax/legal rights, none of which have anything to do with children.
 
#38 ·
How about Christians can marry who they want and love and if you are not Christian you can not write laws to stop them. It doesn't have anything to do with you. If marrying the opposite sex is against your religion, then YOU don't do it. Don't right laws to stop people in love from getting married.

Or something like that.

This is America, Tebow should be able to marry who he loves.
 
#39 ·
How about Christians can marry who they want and love and if you are not Christian you can not write laws to stop them. It doesn't have anything to do with you. If marrying the opposite sex is against your religion, then YOU don't do it. Don't right laws to stop people in love from getting married.

Or something like that.

This is America, Tebow should be able to marry who he loves.
Tim Tebow is gay? Wow.

Awesome! :up:
 
#40 ·
Again what do children have to do with marriage? Plenty of hetrosexual couples get married, and reap all the benefits that entails, with no intention of having children. And plenty of homosexual couples that are not married either have or adopt children. The ONLY thing marriage does is provide certain tax/legal rights, none of which have anything to do with children.
What do children have to do with marriage? I guess nothing if you live your life like an alley cat. The legal and tax rights of marriage that are built into the federal code were written specifically for the purpose of protecting children and easing the financial burden on their parents. To say marriage has nothing to do with children is laughable.

Let me know when a same-sex couple gives birth to their first biological child.
 
#41 ·
How about Christians can marry who they want and love and if you are not Christian you can not write laws to stop them. It doesn't have anything to do with you. If marrying the opposite sex is against your religion, then YOU don't do it. Don't right laws to stop people in love from getting married.

Or something like that.

This is America, Tebow should be able to marry who he loves.
Actually, gay marriage is legal in all 50 states. There is not a law on the books anywhere that will prevent you from having whatever marriage ceremony you want. The media talks about gay marriage "bans" because they like to make it sound like people are getting thrown in jail or something. But there are simply no gay marriage bans. There are just states that recognize gay marriage, and states that don't.
 
#42 ·
That refrain loses more and more credibility over time. The people in the media it's loaned from either don't cite sources, or they've twisted studies to make a false comparison. While actual studies like ACHESS show no substantive difference among children raised by loving parents who are genuinely happy to have them, regardless of who the parents are.
Here's an article with plenty of sources for you. I'm sure the gay marriage crowd will discount it all though, because all they care about is their mushy emotional arguments about "love" and "fairness".

That refrain loses more and more Sounds like a good case to support more couples getting married. :p :up:
Yep, it's a great case for more heterosexual couples to get married.
 
#44 ·
Let me know when a same-sex couple gives birth to their first biological child.
That's such a BS argument! There are millions of hetrosexual couples that can't have biological children either, and yet they are allowed to get married. Why is that OK? Because their parts fit together? Because your book says it's OK? :rolleyes:

Oh and FYI....
http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-scientists-embryos-2-women-1-man-170407156.html
Soon it will be possible for a lesbian couple to have a biological child. When that happens will you change your stance on them getting married? I'm guessing not.
 
#45 ·
Here's an article with plenty of sources for you. I'm sure the gay marriage crowd will discount it all though, because all they care about is their mushy emotional arguments about "love" and "fairness".
When I said the media bigots twist studies to make false comparisons, I was referring quite specifically to groups like Focus on the Family. And so now you have given me a link to a FOTF affiliate. And that link proves my exact point. So thank you.

The studies don't need gay marriage supporters to discount them. They discount themselves. Well actually, only one of the studies linked to in that article is even working. And even though the FOTF article cherry-picks sentences from the study, they/you ignore the fact that the study admits outright that it did little to no examination of actual SS couples, and no married SS couples at all because the study is so old it pre-dates SSM. LOL.

So thank you again for proving my point that they, and you as their proxy, twist inapplicable studies to fit an agenda.

For those unaware, FOTF founder James Dobson claims gays will destroy the earth, gay marriage will lead to donkey-man marriage, and that women wait for their husbands to assume leadership. So clearly he's a down-the-middle sociological scholar with no agenda, whose groups can and should be cited in all credible discussions.
 
#46 ·
Although I disagree with your view, you are entitled to it. I presume you are also OK with 3 consenting adults getting married? I mean, if 3 consenting adults really love each other, why shouldn't they be able to get married? Wouldn't you agree that 2 is just an arbitrary number?

Interracial couples can produce children, by the way. Gay couples cannot. Every child has 1 mother and 1 father. That is a biological certainty.
And why not consenting cousins? As a society, where is the line drawn? What does this set of values show to our children?

Aren't there laws on the books that don't allow cousins etc. to marry? What if they don't want to have kids? Should we as a society be bigots and prevent them from marrying then?

Should we stop there? What about brothers and sisters? I know, everyone is thinking that's gross. Why is that anymore gross than what you are saying should be acceptable now?
 
#47 ·
For those unaware, FOTF founder James Dobson claims gays will destroy the earth, gay marriage will lead to donkey-man marriage, and that women wait for their husbands to assume leadership. So clearly he's a down-the-middle sociological scholar with no agenda, whose groups can and should be cited in all credible discussions.
And just like the atheist that needs to stand up for their right to not believe.... A man (or woman) will eventually want to have their right to marry a donkey. :)
 
#50 ·
And why not consenting cousins? As a society, where is the line drawn? What does this set of values show to our children?

Aren't there laws on the books that don't allow cousins etc. to marry? What if they don't want to have kids? Should we as a society be bigots and prevent them from marrying then?

Should we stop there? What about brothers and sisters? I know, everyone is thinking that's gross. Why is that anymore gross than what you are saying should be acceptable now?
There is a reason why immediate family memebers can't get married. The lack of genetic diversity can cause serious birth defects in any offspring. In this particular case it really is all about the children.

A man (or woman) will eventually want to have their right to marry a donkey. :)
I am so sick of hearing this argument! A marriage between two consenting adult humans is NOT the same thing as a human marrying an animal. Allowing the former does not mean we ever have to allow the latter. :rolleyes:
 
#51 ·
There is a reason why immediate family memebers can't get married. The lack of genetic diversity can cause serious birth defects in any offspring. In this particular case it really is all about the children.:
But if that's he case then why do YOU have the right to be a bigot and not let them marry each other? Again, what if they don't want to have children? Who are they hurting then?

If you're willing to say one thing is okay then why not the other? If the argument is that it's not your place to say who consenting adults can choose to marry then its not your place. Period.

And seriously, why not polygamy? If we don't see any moral problems with these other things then why can't a person marry more than one person? It seems that we're only able to accept so much at one time but eventually even something like that will be accepted in our society.
 
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