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The 20.2 changelog thread

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#1 ·
OK, since TiVo doesn't issue a real changelog/buglist, we have to build one ourselves. This is meant to be a changelog/buglist from 14.9 to 20.2 based on a Premiere non-Elite. I will try to keep this #1 posting updated with all the issues as they are listed. The previous changelog, for 14.9, is here: http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=480226

Summary
This release contains new features, a few significant interface changes, and fixes several bugs. Mostly HDUI changes, there are some significant performance increases there (and none in the SDUI). The rollout for this release is coming surprisingly quickly from the 14.9 update.

1 Non-UI or Both UI
1.1 Both/Non-UI Postive
1.1.1 The update time took 18 min and 31 seconds on my Premiere which is MUCH faster than previous updates. This might vary some from box-to-box depending on drive size and amount of data on it. And it still no longer gets stuck booting up when the Slide Remote bluetooth dongle is left in the TiVo. This long-standing and frustrating bug appears to remain fixed.

1.1.2 It is reported that the problems with Netflix video/audio sync introduced in 14.9 have been fixed. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=480590

1.1.3 Multiroom streaming will be officially supported on this release. This feature enables live-viewing of programs from remote Premieres on the same network.

1.1.4 Supposedly, the OTA tuners appear to be able to lock onto more channels than previously. When scanning OTA for channels, it will find more stations.

1.1.5 The background of the SD menus has changed, and it is very significant. This will affect everything in the SDUI and the SD menus used in the HDUI. The background used to be animated (including the logo) and changed color depending on what function you were using. Now, it is a static, mostly blue background with very high-resolution TiVo Guy logo. This matches the background of the HDUI, so it will make transitioning more consistent looking. It is also less distracting for SDUI users. Some people may find this change to be negative instead of positive.

1.2 Both/Non-UI Negative
1.2.1 The Select-Play-Select-9-Play code for displaying the on-screen clock and play-time-remaining during replays is gone and there is no replacement. Play-time-remaining is available by pressing Play or Pause but the clock is available only by returning to the main menu. It also display seconds, which some people find distracting and unnecessary, and it displays the clock in the center of the screen on HDUI (but lower right corner in SDUI). One person reported having the clock display on HDUI will cause performance and screen drawing issues.

1.2.2 The "This group is empty" bug that the previous changelog reported as "fixed" in the SDUI, is actually occurring in the HDUI now. It could be it is back in the SDUI, also. This bug will cause the display the above message if one deletes programs in the suggestion list too rapidly, then kick the user back one level in the menu. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=470339

1.2.3 Closed captions no longer appear on the screen while using 1xFF+ (first fast play) while in the SDUI or HDUI. Margret later explained it was due to technical reasons and implied this feature will not return.

1.2.4 With repeating manual recordings setup, it is possible that multiple duplicate entries will appear in the recording history as "will not record" with reason of not being in program guide. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=481547

1.2.5 There are some metadata issues with programs transferred via network to the TiVo. Further, there are some reports of extended metadata missing from programs pulled back from the Premiere, even in a .TiVo format file.

1.2.6 HME (Home Media Engine SDK) programs might have incorrect text display Also, at least one report of an HME actually crashing the Premiere. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8908963

1.2.7 There are reports that the network transfer speed is not as fast as it was in 14.9, although it is still faster than it was before 14.9. (It is perhaps 12% slower) http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8909374#post8909374

1.2.8 Recordings on the Premiere, transferred to a computer, then transferred back and played on the Premiere no longer display closed captions. The captions do exist in the .TiVo files and can be seen on a computer. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8958577#post8958577

2 SDUI
2.1 SDUI Positive
2.1.1 The ability to rapidly delete programs without delays/warnings, using the clear key is back. It was ruined in the 14.9 update because a "Please wait" screen would come up between every keypress. Now it is immediate, just like it used to be!

2.1.2 Resume position in the SDUI was sometimes lost when returning to TiVo central and replaying a program. For some people it was all the time, others never or occasionally. First reported in 14.9. Same users are reporting it is now fixed. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=480279

2.2 SDUI Negative
2.2.1 Occasionally, when trying to delete a program from Now Playing using the clear key, it will refuse to delete and offer a "bong" sound, instead. If one goes into the program details, it can be deleted. Or if one leaves Now Playing and returns, it can be deleted.

2.2.2 From my shows, select a program to view description, then back out of it, then play another show using the play button. When using the left arrow to back out of the playback, the cursor/select is not returned to the program that was just played. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8911517#post8911517

3 HDUI
3.1 HDUI Positive
3.1.1 Users are reporting various HDUI performance increases. Examples include: most screen transitions and information display. Hopefully we will have some more quantitative data later. TiVo says it starting using using Adobe Air with 2.X version software instead of (now-deprecated) Flash use with pre 2.X.

3.1.2 The HDUI now has a newly redesigned guide (There are two versions, a "Live" guide and a "Grid" guide:
3.1.2.1 It includes more information, such as the episode number, season number, and first air date. Also will display year of release for movies.

3.1.2.2 It also can display a longer time period of schedule on a single screen.

3.1.2.3 Status indicators are displayed. Recording (red circle), to-be-recorded (blue check), and season passes (double check) are indicated in the grid.

3.1.2.4 There is a small live video window on the upper right of the guide screen (although it can't be disabled, see below)

3.1.2.5 There is more room for the channel names. Apparently 8 characters. For example "ESPN..." can now be displayed as "ESPN3HD".

3.1.2.6 A white plus icon will indicate when a program is available from a source or channel that is not available because it is turned off in settings.

3.1.2.7 In both guides, pressing "select" on a current time slot takes you to that program for immediate live viewing, instead of the old behavior of offering recording options.

3.1.2.8 In both guides, pressing "info" on an item at the current time slot will display recording options

3.1.2.9 In the grid guide, shows that are in the past are displayed with a darker color than current or upcoming shows.​

3.1.3 The HDUI information pop-up (press "info" while watching a program):
3.1.3.1 Has changed location to the BOTTOM of the screen (this is a new location for any type of dialog, other than the shuttle/position indicator). (NOTE: While most people like the change, some people find this to be a negative or wish to have user-control over the location).

3.1.3.2 The order of some of the menu entries on it have changed.

3.1.3.3 There is an "UP NEXT" line on the bottom, showing the next scheduled program for the current tuner/channel.

3.1.3.4 The status bar now indicates the status of the tuners as a menu option, even during playback of a recording. Selecting the option will indicate channel and program is on each.​

3.1.4 The channel change pop-up (press chan up/down while watching a program) has also moved location to the BOTTOM of the screen.

3.1.5 There is now a time-of-day clock displayed on most HDUI menu screens.

3.1.6 Numerous discovery bar changes:
3.1.6.1 Includes labels below each picture, telling the user what type of object it is. Examples include "suggestion", "new on demand", "top pick", "popular on web", and "in my shows" (feedback on this addition has been mixed).

3.1.6.2 It contains fewer objects and does not scroll anymore. It has six when live preview is off and four when preview is visible.

3.1.6.3 The bar now fades from dim to bright after an update, instead of just going instantly from dim to bright. This change tends to make the annoying, delayed screen updating of discovery bar elements somewhat less annoying and less noticeable.

3.1.6.4 The options for "less, more, normal" have been changed to allow selection of different types, such as popular, sports, top picks, etc. If you uncheck them all, then it mostly displays entries for what is playing now (there is still no way to turn off the discovery bar).​

3.1.7 My Shows now uses "new" labels beside certain recorded programs and folders. Folders are labeled "new" if they contain any new items. Shows are marked "new" that are marked as "first run".

3.1.8 The delete confirmation dialog box at the end of a show is now in HD resolution instead of SD.

3.1.9 Hulu Plus is integrated into the search function.

3.1.10 The shuttle/progress bar now shows hours and minutes below the bar (like in the SDUI), using hours and min instead of hh:mm format, and the bar is thinner (less tall) and the green area does not fill the whole bar (having a logo on the left and total time on the right).

3.1.11 The search function menu has changed in design and:
3.1.11.1 It now shows content providers on the right side.

3.1.11.2 It also allows the creation of wishlists based off your search.

3.1.11.3 You can now search for channels by channel name (like "ABC")​

3.1.12 The HDUI menu screen animation has changed. It has a different type of slide-while-fading-in type effect.

3.1.13 The find menu now separates out the online provider menu entries with a dotted line.

3.1.14 There is a new "mini grid guide" that will appear when you press "select" while watching a program or live TV. It displays the current channel and the next two channels over a two hour period. Use "clear" to exit it without selecting the program under the cursor.

3.1.15 The station/channel logos have been updated.

3.1.16 "Top Picks" and "My Favorites" menu entries were removed from "Browse TV & Movies". (NOTE: This is not necessarily a "positive").

3.1.17 The green, animated, spinning, busy circle has been replaced with a blue, animated, spinning, [flower] petal circle. During periods it is visible, all user interaction with the HDUI is halted. (NOTE: This is not really a "positive", just a change).

3.1.18 If there is no working Internet connection, the Premiere will now allow users to still access program details. Prior, no Internet meant the user could not even select a program to see details or get to playback (play was only available by pressing the play button on the remote). http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8932421#post8932421 CONFIRMATION NEEDED

3.1.19 Searching for programs while in daylight savings time would result in program air times that were indicated 1 hour too soon. This has been fixed. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=470874

3.2 HDUI Negative
3.2.1 HDUI Guide related:
3.2.1.1 When the guide is visible, pressing the "guide" or "clear" button to dismiss the guide results in the display of the medium-sized info banner, instead. This is unexpected behavior.

3.2.1.2 When scheduling a recording from the HD Program Guide, the guide switches to "SD" mode to display "Please Wait" and then back to HD for the confirmation dialog.

3.2.1.3 Guide has no way to turn off or stop the live preview in guide. This is consistent with the old guide behavior, but it does not match the rest of the HDUI, which honors a user preference or allows the user to press "|>" to temporarily stop it.

3.2.1.4 When performing certain actions on programs from the guide, like scheduling or cancelling a recording or changing recording options, the live preview window might jump to full screen for a few seconds, then go back to the preview window size again.

3.2.1.5 After selecting a show to record from the guide, the guide is reloaded and the cursor is placed back at the beginning of the list instead of being restored where it was.http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8895588

3.2.1.6 It is no longer possible to select an entry that is scheduled for recording and press clear to cancel the recording as was possible in the previous version of the guide, if other showings will be recorded. In such cases, it is only possible to cancel through the todo list. CLARIFICATION NEEDED

3.2.1.7 It is no longer possible to turn on any type of filter based on content type while in the new guide.

3.2.1.8 Programs marked as "new" show their first aired date as 1 day before the actual date the program is airing. Also, the "new" labels will sometimes disappear when switching to/from grid style to/from live style. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8897804

3.2.1.9 After selecting a program to record from the grid guide or mini guide, while watching a recording, when it redraws the guide, it places the cursor on the lowest channel instead of on the channel you just were, or on the channel the foreground tuner is using. Curiously, it doesn't do that when in the live guide. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8902409#post8902409

3.2.2 It is no longer possible to use the right arrow to cycle through the different versions of the channel/program info display.

3.2.3 You can no longer thumbs up or down on items in the discovery bar.

3.2.4 HDUI On-Screen-Banner Related:
3.2.4.1 The select button brings up the mini guide now which disrupts entering SPS codes. However, you can still enter SPS code while playing a Showcase video or while the Info banner is up; or by temporarily switching to SDUI.

3.2.4.2 When entering channel numbers in "live" TV viewing, on the info banner or mini guide, they stop at 4 digits and do not wrap around as they used to do. So there is no way to correct a typo, you have to wait for the incorrect channel or exit the info banner/mini guide.

3.2.4.3 The first aired date for the program displayed on the banner is 1 day before the actual aired date. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8951103#post8951103

3.2.5 Some people report that their play/pause location is lost when switching back and forth between watching two recording programs. It is unclear if this is only HDUI. MORE INFO NEEDED http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8895588#post8895588

3.2.6 Deleting a Program Related:
3.2.6.1 There are times when deleting a program from suggestions, using the clear button, then moving the cursor down a few menu entries, will result in two or more screen redrawings. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8901062

3.2.6.2 There are times when it is seemingly impossible to delete a program. Such programs will not delete on the TiVo Suggestions screen (the "x" will sit there forever or it just makes the "x" disappear without deleting), nor if selected then deleted. When played back, there is an error displayed about the channel and forces an exit. Sometimes it can be deleted at that point. If played a SECOND time, it will play normally, the user can exit and then delete it. This often happens when trying to stop two recordings and it frequently causes the first to become undeletable/unplayable.

3.2.6.3 There are occasions when trying to delete a program, the popup menu will have no option highlighted and any key press results in a very low-tone "bong". Usually after a minute, the entire HDUI will restart, complete with the TiVo intro animation. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9025455#post9025455 http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=9026619#post9026619

3.2.7 When transferring network video to the Premiere (from, for example, PyTiVo), some users have noticed the HDUI menu screen can "quiver" or "shake" vertically, rapidly, by a pixel or two. It can also cause light stuttering in HD video playback during the transfer. Confirmed, but not known if this started in 20.2 http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8974053

3.2.8 When performing a one-time record of a show from the Guide and try to add time to it, if the show is not the next airing, you have to scroll through "upcoming" to find the episode you want to record. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8909900 NEEDS CONFIRMATION

3.2.9 When deleting a recording that is the lowest menu entry in a folder,the cursor will be placed at the highest menu entry, when it should have moved up by only one entry. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8953358#post8953358

4 Unresolved/Carry-Over
4.0 Kidzone is still not available while using the HDUI. However, there is mention that the Spring 2012 update will have some parental controls in the HDUI.

4.1 Performance improvements in the HDUI still do not lead to a completely fluid user interface, mostly due to the delayed, live, internet-based loading of certain information, such as the discovery bar, and program graphics. Some screens take up to 6 seconds to finish drawing/updating everything. Many users report that initial drawing of "My Shows" now takes longer than in the 14.9 update. User expectations and reporting of performance are widely varied.

4.2 The reporting of the program size disk space is still wrong on the SDUI. They changed it to read "GB" but the reported numbers are 100 times smaller than the actual space it is using. However, in the HDUI, it is correct. First discovered in 14.9. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=480288

4.3 The Premiere is still upconverting to 720P, even if 480P is selected in video settings. First reported in 14.9. Some suspect it might have to do with needing to display HD overlays and popups when viewing SD material. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=479153

4.4 There are still times when "Stop and Delete" in the HDUI will stop the program recording but will not delete the program. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8892799#post8892799

4.5 The KidZone dialog bug for the "Please Wait" dialog when selecting KidZone is still present. The dialog displays almost completely off the screen. This bug was introduced in 14.9.

4.6 When scrolling through wishlists, it can be very slow when using the channel down button, and presents a "Please Wait" dialog each time. Issue first occurred in 14.9. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=8871667#post8871667

4.7 Some users experience pixelation (macroblocking) when trying to watch Amazon VOD programming. This bug was introduced as early as early 2011, and might be addressed in the planned Spring 2012 update http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=467790&highlight=Amazon+pixelation&page=3

4.8 When selecting and recording a season pass from the guide, the Premiere will select the channel of the first airing of that program, rather than the channel on the selected program. Do not know when this started or if this has been that way forever. HDUI ONLY?

4.9 Over-the-air digital broadcasts that contain audio-only programming (with no video) will not tune on the Premiere.

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#202 ·
I am a recent user of the HDUI, so forgive this question- is that a new behavior? Audio dropouts while switching from the TiVo menus to live (or the other way around) wouldn't seem all that unusual to me (since it is such a major change). HOWEVER, when going in and out of the new HDUI guide, there is no audio interruption, and it is pretty fast too.

But I cannot confirm your observation about audio dropping out when moving from one HD HDUI screen to another HD HDUI screen/menu. I tried everything I could, and never had any audio dropouts. Does anyone else have any audio dropouts at the exact time of changing from from HD HDUI screen to another?
Yes. Its a new behavior. The audio used to drop out between every HDUI screen transition. Maybe someone else can confirm.
 
#203 ·
The ability to switch audio stream (SAP) via the info button now actually works! I think this is the first time owning a TiVo where I got this to work.
This has always worked for me, but only during Live TV, not on playback of recordings. It used (?) to be that the TiVo would only record one soundtrack.

Some other comments on 20.2 here.
 
#204 ·
I am a recent user of the HDUI, so forgive this question- is that a new behavior? Audio dropouts while switching from the TiVo menus to live (or the other way around) wouldn't seem all that unusual to me (since it is such a major change). HOWEVER, when going in and out of the new HDUI guide, there is no audio interruption, and it is pretty fast too.

But I cannot confirm your observation about audio dropping out when moving from one HD HDUI screen to another HD HDUI screen/menu. I tried everything I could, and never had any audio dropouts. Does anyone else have any audio dropouts at the exact time of changing from from HD HDUI screen to another?
Yes I have the same issue with my TIVO, this may be related to my SETUP, I am running HDMI cable from TIVO into my Surround Sound system and then from that unit HDMI to my TV.

I have a SONY BDV-IS1000 and my TV is SONY XBR-52HX909.
 
#205 ·
I think I found a possible bug.

I wanted to record the new show The Firm but I totally forgot it was on, fortunately one of my tuners was on that channel so I decided to go pull up Guide and click record and I selected a season pass for the show.

I though that this would record the whole show unfortunately, it only grabbed 1hour and 31 minutes of it, instead of the whole 2 hours and at that point show was running only for 60 min or so.
 
#206 ·
I think I found a possible bug.

I wanted to record the new show The Firm but I totally forgot it was on, fortunately one of my tuners was on that channel so I decided to go pull up Guide and click record and I selected a season pass for the show.

I though that this would record the whole show unfortunately, it only grabbed 1hour and 31 minutes of it, instead of the whole 2 hours and at that point show was running only for 60 min or so.
The live buffer is only 30 min (on each "tuner"). So if you were 60 min into the show before you told it to record a 120 min program, it would only be able to capture 90 minutes of it. The first 30 min were simply not available. Not a bug, just the way it works with TiVo.
 
#209 ·
"1.2.3 Closed captions no longer appear on the screen while using 1xFF+ (first fast play) while in the SDUI or HDUI. Margret later explained it was due to technical reasons and implied this feature will not return."

Is there a way we can reject and/or undo updates? This is a seminal usage of the TiVo for me. I'd rather have 14.9 or whatever indefinitely than a new update that removes this functionality, which is critical to how I watch programs.
 
#212 ·
"1.2.3 Closed captions no longer appear on the screen while using 1xFF+ (first fast play) while in the SDUI or HDUI. Margret later explained it was due to technical reasons and implied this feature will not return."

Is there a way we can reject and/or undo updates? This is a seminal usage of the TiVo for me. I'd rather have 14.9 or whatever indefinitely than a new update that removes this functionality, which is critical to how I watch programs.
Sorry, I don't think it is possible. When you buy a TiVo, you are buying into a service too. It is not just a box. Game consoles, Blu-Ray players, smart phones, many TV's, etc are that way now, too. A "connected" device can be changed by the manufacturer in ways the end user might not like.
 
#214 ·
Sorry, I don't think it is possible. When you buy a TiVo, you are buying into a service too. It is not just a box. Game consoles, Blu-Ray players, smart phones, many TV's, etc are that way now, too. A "connected" device can be changed by the manufacturer in ways the end user might not like.
If it weren't for the need to keep it connected to pick up the latest schedules, I'd have unplugged mine from the Internet to keep it on 14.9. But unfortunately I got the update to 20.2 today, even though I sure as hell did not want it!

Since I received the 14.9 update last fall my Tivo started rebooting a few times a week, whereas previously it was relatively stable and only did that only once couple months. The 20.2 update made things even worse for me, even if it is now 100% stable. Basically in the last two updates, as far as I'm aware Tivo has not added any functionality or fixed any problems I care about, but they made it significantly worse for me and my usage.

This is a big difference between owning a Tivo and most other products capable of updates. With my iPhone I am running iOS 5.0.0, even though I've had a notifier that 5.0.1 has been available for two months. For me not updating it was a deliberate choice because I have a 4S that hasn't experienced battery life issues as some have, and some people who had no issues on 5.0.0 reported having some on 5.0.1. Apple gave me a choice Tivo does not believe I deserve.

This experience will definitely make me think twice about ever buying another Tivo.
 
#215 ·
I found a bug in the SDUI...

1) Select a program from My Shows and look at it's description.

2) Back out to My Shows, move to a different show on the list and click Play on the remote to start playing.

3) Use back to exit playback of that show.

When you get back to My Shows the program you selected in step #1 will be highlighted and not the program you were just playing.

It really confused me as to what was happening the first few times, but once I nailed down how to repeat it I see what's happening now. It seems the selection flag TiVo uses to determine which show to highlight isn't getting set properly when you play something directly via the Play button rather then selecting it and picking Play from the menu.

Dan
 
#216 ·
I just got 20.2 sometime this afternoon while I was at work, and the main thing I notice is that it is slower. "My Shows" has a big pause which wasn't there before while it is deciding how to draw the list of my recordings at the top (the hulu and amazon icons and wot-not come up pretty fast at the bottom). There is also a much longer pause after I hit the "Guide" button before the new guide actually manages to display. It may look a little better, but since speed was always my primary problem with the Premiere, getting slower doesn't seem like an improvement.
 
#218 ·
That's been mentioned before. Certainly in this day of multi-terabyte drives, a 30-minute buffer seems ridiculously small. They should at least bump it to 60. And a user option would be better, of course.
I strongly agree. This has been my #1 beef with TiVo. Whenever there is a new software update the first thing I look for is an update to at least a 60 minute buffer. I really do not understand their refusal to do so. :confused:
 
#219 ·
I strongly agree. This has been my #1 beef with TiVo. Whenever there is a new software update the first thing I look for is an update to at least a 60 minute buffer. I really do not understand their refusal to do so. :confused:
i think the vast majority of us would not see a need for it as most of us do not watch live tv and if i turn it on in the middle of something i usally just have it record the next time it airs
 
#220 ·
Thanks to my crappy power service, I can say my Tivo boot in half the time it used to. before (not sure what version) it was a guaranteed 10min wait for the tivo to get to the home screen from a power disruption, today including the intro video it was 5 minutes!!!

is it possible that the 2nd core is enabled? halving the boot time is pretty cool either way
 
#222 ·
Sorry, I don't think it is possible. When you buy a TiVo, you are buying into a service too. It is not just a box. Game consoles, Blu-Ray players, smart phones, many TV's, etc are that way now, too. A "connected" device can be changed by the manufacturer in ways the end user might not like.
My first TiVo was the original 14 hour unit, so I am well aware of service constraints. This instance is different in that it is (for me) the first time that primary functionality is being removed from the device. After the basic recording of shows, there is *nothing* I use more than FF1 with closed captioning. And I have been doing so for about 13 years now. If that functionality is going to be permanently disabled, what I am asking as a user is whether there is a way to hard-lock on 14.9 or another update in order to prevent the elimination of what I consider to be core TiVo functionality. If there is not yet, I am stating that there needs to be.

The problem when new programmers join a technology company is that they oftentimes do not have the full awareness of product usage that long time customers have. As such, they are ordinarily open to feedback about what is important. And I for one consider the closed captioning thing to be functionality that prevents a TiVo from being a TiVo if it is removed. Your mileage and I'm certain several others on this board may vary, but if I had known TiVo was taken this away, I never would have purchased an Elite. The TiVo is much less useful to me without it.

I'm going to express this here where Margaret is thoughtfully reading (your dedication to your job is sincerely appreciated) and I'm also going to lodge a complaint with TiVo customer service. The entire point of updating software is to make a unit better. There is nothing in the 20.x update that could counter the loss of FF1 closed captioning for me. Glancing over a few threads, I am not the only one who feels this way, either. That makes all the more important that the people who agree speak their peace before this mistake becomes codified.
 
#223 ·
Another change I noticed in V20.2 is not only is trick play not enabled on a non sub TiVo but programs that were recorded before the TiVo went un-subbed will play back but you can't use fast forward, rewind, pause, or any of the skip forward modes. So I guess TiVo wants to make a un-subbed TiVo less useful than before. I don't blame TiVo as the box at less than $100 with a 320Tb drive is a real give away if one does not purchase the service.
 
#224 ·
i think the vast majority of us would not see a need for it as most of us do not watch live tv and if i turn it on in the middle of something i usally just have it record the next time it airs
I don't know about the vast majority...For me, A larger buffer is a huge deal.
 
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