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Upgrading Series 3 HDD to 2Tb

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#1 ·
So I have done this before, but each time it feels like I have no idea what I am doing. My 1Tb hdd went bad (S03 error that I couldnt kickstart 57) so I picked up a 2Tb WD20EURS.

I am going to try to copy over the shows from the old drive using WINMFS and hooking up both drives. Is there anything I need to remember to do other than run MFS copy? and hope the shows transfer?

Going from 1Tb to 2Tb do I need to expand the space or do any fancy WDDIDDLE or anything. All of the technical jargon gets me a bit nervous since I really have no concept of all of the details of the tech. If the copy fails I have the original HDD that the machine came with that I can copy onto the new drive...again though...do I need to do anything fancy or just MFSCOPY...what about supersize and all the other options in the software.

Any help would be appreciated...again, this is not my first time...I have probably honestly done this 10 times...I have an awful memory for it since I only go through this once every few years for myself or helping out a friend.

Thanks

And Cheers to all the great helpers on the forums.
 
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#27 ·
Plugged things in. Got a GSOD. Even though it said to leave it for 3 hours I unplugged and re plugged in.

It got to GSOD again. Do I leave it and let it try to get past it or should I start a swap process with Newegg?
Are you using an image taken from that TiVo or another of the same model?
 
#28 ·
I had upgraded my stock TiVoHD a few years ago using a 1TB Hitachi drive. Did a truncated backup of that and then restored that to the new 2TB WD drive. So yes, image is from my same TiVoHD.
 
#30 ·
I had checked before I even bought the drive. I don't remember off hand what it was but i remember it being late enough. I can always double check if I end up putting the older 1tb dive back in after I try to let it recover from the GSOD.

For reference, what version does it have to be?
 
#31 ·
Any thoughts in how long to give it? We're basically at the 3 hour mark and no sign of coming out of GSOD.....

I'm about ready to pull it and put the 1tb hitachi back in.
 
#32 ·
Well hallelujah!

Just as I was about to give up and pull the drive, voila, on comes the TiVo boot video. And things look good. Reporting 318 HD hours. SP list is there.

Incidentally, for David, it's 11.0m-01-2-652.

The only weird thing is some of the TiVo Central shortcuts don't work. TiVo 4 and 6 go to the Find Programs menu instead of jumping down the next level. That's fine though.


Oh, and the WD20EURS is infinitely quieter than the Hitachi drive I had.
 
#33 ·
No signs of any problems whatsoever. I think the scan did it's thing and all is well for now.....
 
#34 ·
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread! I had tried upgrading my TivoHD from 1TB to 2TB about 2 years ago and it was never stable and I reluctantly reverted back to the 1TB disk. I remember there was a VERY long thread and various discussions to get around the extra partition if recordings were to be saved on an already upgraded HD. With World Cup, Formula 1, Wimbledon, etc. recently, my TivoHD was deleting a show with every new recording...
Luckily, I found this thread and sucessfully performed the upgrade. It took about 4 hours to complete. Now I can delay my Roamio Plus purchase just a little longer! :)
 
#35 ·
This thread seems quiet now, so I thought I'd ask a related question.

Disk Diagnostics:

My 4 year old Tivo HD with WD10EVDS was showing some stuttering during playback lately, so I did a Kickstart 54 and ran some diagnostics. Everything came back good, except the "Extended Overnight Test", which returned "TEST FAILED. There are now 1 point(s) in the Red Zone".

So, I swapped in a never-used 2 TB WD20EURS following the procedure here (after first running extended WD diagnostics on it). I ran it for 2 days and then decided to do another KS 54 and re-run the "Extended Overnight Test". This time I saw a warning about being unable to access /dev/hdb (not surprising with no second drive), but then I immediately got a "TEST FAILED" on /dev/hda, which I did NOT expect. It didn't even draw the graph axes. Can anyone else with a 2 TB drive get this test to run?

The Tivo HD itself now seems to be operating fine, but I'm just a bit concerned the "Extended Overnight Test" won't even begin to run.
 
#36 ·
Would use the manufacturer's diagnostic test on the drive. If it passes that you should be good to go.
I don't have a TiVo HD but I have an OLED S3 with a 2TB drive. I'll run the test this weekend and see what it does.
 
#37 ·
This thread seems quiet now, so I thought I'd ask a related question.

Disk Diagnostics:

My 4 year old Tivo HD with WD10EVDS was showing some stuttering during playback lately, so I did a Kickstart 54 and ran some diagnostics. Everything came back good, except the "Extended Overnight Test", which returned "TEST FAILED. There are now 1 point(s) in the Red Zone".

So, I swapped in a never-used 2 TB WD20EURS following the procedure here (after first running extended WD diagnostics on it). I ran it for 2 days and then decided to do another KS 54 and re-run the "Extended Overnight Test". This time I saw a warning about being unable to access /dev/hdb (not surprising with no second drive), but then I immediately got a "TEST FAILED" on /dev/hda, which I did NOT expect. It didn't even draw the graph axes. Can anyone else with a 2 TB drive get this test to run?

The Tivo HD itself now seems to be operating fine, but I'm just a bit concerned the "Extended Overnight Test" won't even begin to run.
If it's worth testing the drive itself (as opposed to the software on it), it's worth pulling it out of the TiVo and running the manufacturer's own diagnostics.

That and one time I ran KS54 just out of curiosity on an S2 DT and it screwed up the drive.

(Since I was able to get it working again by using WinMFS to rewrite the boot sector and swap to the alternate boot partition, it wasn't anything wrong with the drive)

Of all the things I like about TiVos, KS54 ain't one of them.
 
#38 ·
I'm greatly in favor of removing the drive and testing in a PC. Kickstarts rarely seem to fix problems and often make things worse. I had one that was stuck in guided setup with a SO3 error. I tried Kickstart 57 and 58 and got stuck in the GSOD which was a big step backwards. I eventually figured out how to get out of the GSOD so it's back to being stuck in guided setup w/S03 error.
 
#39 ·
If it's worth testing the drive itself (as opposed to the software on it), it's worth pulling it out of the TiVo and running the manufacturer's own diagnostics.

That and one time I ran KS54 just out of curiosity on an S2 DT and it screwed up the drive.

(Since I was able to get it working again by using WinMFS to rewrite the boot sector and swap to the alternate boot partition, it wasn't anything wrong with the drive)

Of all the things I like about TiVos, KS54 ain't one of them.
I actually ran the WD external diagnostics in my PC before I installed it, as well as a full test with Stablebit Scanner. Both showed no issues. My only concern was that this is the first time I've *ever* attempted an "Extended Overnight Test" through KS 54 that failed to run the test. I don't know if this is related to being > 1 TB drive, which was the original max for Tivo HD, IIRC.
 
#40 ·
Stinkweed8 - I am having the same problem you had (s03 error, ultimately stuck in a guided setup loop). It appears that you were able to copy your 1tb disk with the errors to a 2tb disk using WinMFS and the new one worked - is that correct? Did you have to do anything else to fix the s03 error?

Thanks,

Marc
 
#41 ·
Stinkweed8 - I am having the same problem you had (s03 error, ultimately stuck in a guided setup loop). It appears that you were able to copy your 1tb disk with the errors to a 2tb disk using WinMFS and the new one worked - is that correct? Did you have to do anything else to fix the s03 error?

Thanks,

Marc
I was unable to recover the shows from the disk with the s03 errors. I had the original tivo hdd that I copied the formatting from when I upgraded to the 2 Tb drive.

I was never able to correct the s03 error. I did reformat / wipe that drive and I wound up sticking it into my premier as a size upgrade and I haven't had any problems with it.

Hope that helps

MZ
 
#43 ·
Error S03 = Run "Clear Program Info & ToDo List"

Never run Guided Setup again to try to clear this error.
 
#44 ·
Not sure if this helps. TiVo S03 error Not sure if these KS codes are implemented in your OS but a KS 50 is a wipe dB (which maybe a S4 and higher code) and KS 59 which is a repeat guided setup.
 
#46 ·
I am not sure. S4 and higher have a SQLite partition and perhaps it clears that.
 
#48 ·
the "Extended Overnight Test" won't even begin to run.
That test never works on non-stock drives, in my experience, on TiVoHDs, Premieres, and Roamios.

It is a proprietary TiVo test (not a SMART standardized one). Just run all the manufacturer's tests before installation, and you should have nothing to worry about.

Most drive failures of new WD drives lately are DOA, or "infant mortality". Using WD's WinDLG (WD Data LifeGuard Diagnostics for Windows) should insure you don't have a DOA, and add insurance that it's not going to work for 10 hours and then die (since that's about how long all tests will take to complete). You wind up testing for the same amount of time this way.

You can perform the exact same test TiVo uses for that "overnight" one, with HDTune Pro (not free), along with every other test you could possibly want or need. I'm thinking of buying a copy myself, so I can (easily) identify "slow sectors", which are not bad, but slow enough to cause AV glitches in TiVo use, without all the work I have to do, and time I have to be involved, to do so with free tools.
 
#49 ·
You may have to get a WD20EURX instead of an EURS to get one directly from a reputable source instead of one of their "partners" (who are likely to sell you one that came out of an external WD enclosure, which means any real warranty on it from WD is void).

Anyway, when you hook it to a PC to run WD's own long test on it before putting it into service, if you can hook it straight to the motherboard (but not as the first drive on a GigaByte brand board) you can also quickly run

wdidle3.exe

to be sure it doesn't need Intellipark disabled, but most likely it'll have come from the factory with it turned off.

If it was a regular WD Caviar Green instead of the AV models, that might not be so.

When you use WinMFS to copy the 1TB to the 2TB, tell it no when it says you have more room and do you want to expand.

Then select the 2TB, click on

mfsinfo

and make sure everything looks okay, including a big Apple Free partition on the end.

Then click on

mfsadd

to do the expansion as it's own separate step.

The WD programs are on the Ultimate Boot CD, along with all sorts of other useful stuff.
unitron, I want to thank you for making the upgrade process so clear. Everything worked great and the TiVo seems to be working as designed, but it only shows HD to be 193 hours. I was expecting it to be around 300 hours, based on other people’s results.

I carefully followed your upgrade steps and when it asked if I wanted to expand, I then clicked "NO". I don’t know why, but it did not give me options on the size, so I could not select 2tb. I continued the process and clicked mfsadd, but it didn't look like it did anything…unless it was too fast for me to see.

I don’t know if the software version is related to my problem. I have subsequently read that the software version should be 11.0m-01-2-652. After the upgrade process, I checked the version and the beginning of my TiVo software is the same, but the last 3 digits are 648, instead of 652. If that is important, then is there a way for me to force my TiVo to update to the current software version?

As you can tell I am a novice on these things and I was hoping you might be able to give me a little help or point me in the right direction.
 
#50 ·
unitron, I want to thank you for making the upgrade process so clear. Everything worked great and the TiVo seems to be working as designed, but it only shows HD to be 193 hours. I was expecting it to be around 300 hours, based on other people’s results.

I carefully followed your upgrade steps and when it asked if I wanted to expand, I then clicked "NO". I don’t know why, but it did not give me options on the size, so I could not select 2tb. I continued the process and clicked mfsadd, but it didn't look like it did anything…unless it was too fast for me to see.

I don’t know if the software version is related to my problem. I have subsequently read that the software version should be 11.0m-01-2-652. After the upgrade process, I checked the version and the beginning of my TiVo software is the same, but the last 3 digits are 648, instead of 652. If that is important, then is there a way for me to force my TiVo to update to the current software version?

As you can tell I am a novice on these things and I was hoping you might be able to give me a little help or point me in the right direction.
On the sticker on the back of the TiVo there's a model number that starts with TCD.

What's yours?

TCD648250?

TCD652160?

TCD658000?
 
#51 ·
I don’t know if the software version is related to my problem. I have subsequently read that the software version should be 11.0m-01-2-652. After the upgrade process, I checked the version and the beginning of my TiVo software is the same, but the last 3 digits are 648, instead of 652. If that is important, then is there a way for me to force my TiVo to update to the current software version?

As you can tell I am a novice on these things and I was hoping you might be able to give me a little help or point me in the right direction.
The first 3 numbers of your Tivo Service number is your model number, not the last. Also the last 3 digits of the software version is also your model number.. 652 is the number of the Tivo HD (non-XL) model. The label on the back (next to the fan) should say TCD652160.

On the WinMFS, it normally restores in less than a minute, MFSAdd, then Supersize, should bring up the HD hrs on the Tivo to about 315.

Click on MFSInfo and post those results.
 
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